PlainSpeak
01-13 01:18 PM
Few questions for the self proclaimed expert analyst who started this thread -
1) How many lawmakers have you met to represent these provisions you claim to be so passionate about?
2) Have you visited capitol hill and tried to understand what the congress thinks about EB legislation? I did - during the IV advocacy event last year with hundreds of eb2 and eb3 members.
3) How many members here have you actually worked worked with? Because the people I know here who actually do the grass root work with me (both eb2 and eb3) do not care about theb category they belong to.
I know you do not have any real responses...only abuses which you responded with on the other thread.
Its funny how plainspeak is the one usually doling out the abuses but claims to be the victim.
Ahhh my friend forever_waiting, how are you. It is good to see your reply to the post. Will be do this the civilized way or the old way??
In direct response to your post
First i am not a expert nor an analyst musch less a self proclaimed expert analyst. Take that as a given and we can procced further
1) How many lawmakers have you met to represent these provisions you claim to be so passionate about?
None because i do not believe in supporting, representing or furthering the agenda of an organization which has loop holes in it and is determental to my case
2) Have you visited capitol hill and tried to understand what the congress thinks about EB legislation?
I did - during the IV advocacy event last year with hundreds of eb2 and eb3 members.
No i have not. Why do i need to visit capitol hill and view in person what congress thinks about EB legislation when i can do the same by watching CSPAN(I am a regular watcher expecially when there is something immigrant related going on. All a process of expanding my knowlesge of immigration or do you think i got up yesterday morning and decided that i want to fight with IV. If you did then i am sorry i gave you more credit then that. And please do not start a new thread about how lazy i am and how i want others to work for me and how i just want the benefit without effort. That would be old and stale. If there is something to be done in which i believe i will be the first to jump in and volunteer
3) How many members here have you actually worked worked with? Because the people I know here who actually do the grass root work with me (both eb2 and eb3) do not care about theb category they belong to.
YES and i never said you are not fair. I know EB2 and EB23 owkr toghether in IV. My efforts of meeting people have been made outside the scope of what you and others do. I am being modest when i say this but i was the first person in my company to make generate awareness about what IV did and how it is helping immigrants like us and encouraged them to visit the website and read about what IV is all about. This is about 75 to 100 indains (EB2 and EB3) in an organization of size 500 during teh time period 2006 to 2007. Now most of them were EB2 so they got their green card and i am sure are no longer on the IV forum anymore. I am sure those who are still on IV forum are EB3 like me. How much they parrticipate, it is hard to tell. Maybe they were smarter than me and got dissalusioned with IV way before i did. They might be porting or they might not be for all i know
Besides that i am pretty much regular on Murthy where i have provided advise or tried to help people with information whne i could (O f course all of this was H1B/ Visit Visa stuff). Even today on IV forum i am trying my level best to help peopl ewith information related to AOS/EAD/140/485 etc
I am sorry because what i did till now is nowhere near what you and other IV volunteers are doing but i do what i can when i can.
My friend forever_waiting, I hope i answered everything to your satisfaction
As to the below
I know you do not have any real responses...only abuses which you responded with on the other thread. Its funny how plainspeak is the one usually doling out the abuses but claims to be the victim. I am sorry i am done trying to explain it to you all over again. May god grant you wisdom
1) How many lawmakers have you met to represent these provisions you claim to be so passionate about?
2) Have you visited capitol hill and tried to understand what the congress thinks about EB legislation? I did - during the IV advocacy event last year with hundreds of eb2 and eb3 members.
3) How many members here have you actually worked worked with? Because the people I know here who actually do the grass root work with me (both eb2 and eb3) do not care about theb category they belong to.
I know you do not have any real responses...only abuses which you responded with on the other thread.
Its funny how plainspeak is the one usually doling out the abuses but claims to be the victim.
Ahhh my friend forever_waiting, how are you. It is good to see your reply to the post. Will be do this the civilized way or the old way??
In direct response to your post
First i am not a expert nor an analyst musch less a self proclaimed expert analyst. Take that as a given and we can procced further
1) How many lawmakers have you met to represent these provisions you claim to be so passionate about?
None because i do not believe in supporting, representing or furthering the agenda of an organization which has loop holes in it and is determental to my case
2) Have you visited capitol hill and tried to understand what the congress thinks about EB legislation?
I did - during the IV advocacy event last year with hundreds of eb2 and eb3 members.
No i have not. Why do i need to visit capitol hill and view in person what congress thinks about EB legislation when i can do the same by watching CSPAN(I am a regular watcher expecially when there is something immigrant related going on. All a process of expanding my knowlesge of immigration or do you think i got up yesterday morning and decided that i want to fight with IV. If you did then i am sorry i gave you more credit then that. And please do not start a new thread about how lazy i am and how i want others to work for me and how i just want the benefit without effort. That would be old and stale. If there is something to be done in which i believe i will be the first to jump in and volunteer
3) How many members here have you actually worked worked with? Because the people I know here who actually do the grass root work with me (both eb2 and eb3) do not care about theb category they belong to.
YES and i never said you are not fair. I know EB2 and EB23 owkr toghether in IV. My efforts of meeting people have been made outside the scope of what you and others do. I am being modest when i say this but i was the first person in my company to make generate awareness about what IV did and how it is helping immigrants like us and encouraged them to visit the website and read about what IV is all about. This is about 75 to 100 indains (EB2 and EB3) in an organization of size 500 during teh time period 2006 to 2007. Now most of them were EB2 so they got their green card and i am sure are no longer on the IV forum anymore. I am sure those who are still on IV forum are EB3 like me. How much they parrticipate, it is hard to tell. Maybe they were smarter than me and got dissalusioned with IV way before i did. They might be porting or they might not be for all i know
Besides that i am pretty much regular on Murthy where i have provided advise or tried to help people with information whne i could (O f course all of this was H1B/ Visit Visa stuff). Even today on IV forum i am trying my level best to help peopl ewith information related to AOS/EAD/140/485 etc
I am sorry because what i did till now is nowhere near what you and other IV volunteers are doing but i do what i can when i can.
My friend forever_waiting, I hope i answered everything to your satisfaction
As to the below
I know you do not have any real responses...only abuses which you responded with on the other thread. Its funny how plainspeak is the one usually doling out the abuses but claims to be the victim. I am sorry i am done trying to explain it to you all over again. May god grant you wisdom
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chanduv23
02-13 11:02 PM
Those who have info on Rajiv Khanna's lawsuit, please post it on this thread. Please post valid links to references. Please analyse what went wrong, if Rajiv thought he had a case, why was the lawsuit not sucessful. Please post on this thread
ramus
06-27 06:59 AM
So are you saying that we could have possible retrogression effective from any day in July?
Thanks.
USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the numebr of such approvals.
These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.
Thanks.
USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the numebr of such approvals.
These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.
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amsgc
12-13 10:40 PM
I advocate talking to policymakers, writing to them, and calling in on any talkshow on the radio/tv - where ever there is an opportunity.
I am not sure if we can challenge the legality of the system. However, I do question the motivation behind this policy. It is morally and ethically wrong and does not make any economic sense. It is probably hurting the economy, if you get my drift. My thought is that it can be adressed by enlightening the very people who put this policy in place - the congressmen/women.
Welcome to the board... we are just analyzing which way to fight is better. Mark is saying lobbying is the only way, some other say exploring to challenge in court worth a try...some say not worth it-forget it. Have your opinion pitch in please.:)
I am not sure if we can challenge the legality of the system. However, I do question the motivation behind this policy. It is morally and ethically wrong and does not make any economic sense. It is probably hurting the economy, if you get my drift. My thought is that it can be adressed by enlightening the very people who put this policy in place - the congressmen/women.
Welcome to the board... we are just analyzing which way to fight is better. Mark is saying lobbying is the only way, some other say exploring to challenge in court worth a try...some say not worth it-forget it. Have your opinion pitch in please.:)
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ilwaiting
03-17 10:33 AM
The sooner LC substitution goes away the lesser we have to deal with such questions. And the sooner we would get our green cards.
hi All,
Can someone give me advice on this:
I have 4 yrs Bachelors + 6.5 yrs of IT exp. i am being offered a Pre- approved labor(EB3-PD-Nov.2003), which was filed for someone with a condition-Bachelors + 4 years exp., at the time of filing.
i graduated in June 2000, so i am about 1 year short for the 2003 PD. However i did some part time work during college in India and the lawyer says if i can get exp. letter from that company on a letter head, that should suffice.
i am concerned if that India exp. during graduation will work or not.
Has anyone faced a situation like this?
the (part time exp)company was very small, can this be risky? what do you guys think?
Thanks.
hi All,
Can someone give me advice on this:
I have 4 yrs Bachelors + 6.5 yrs of IT exp. i am being offered a Pre- approved labor(EB3-PD-Nov.2003), which was filed for someone with a condition-Bachelors + 4 years exp., at the time of filing.
i graduated in June 2000, so i am about 1 year short for the 2003 PD. However i did some part time work during college in India and the lawyer says if i can get exp. letter from that company on a letter head, that should suffice.
i am concerned if that India exp. during graduation will work or not.
Has anyone faced a situation like this?
the (part time exp)company was very small, can this be risky? what do you guys think?
Thanks.
Lasantha
12-14 03:53 PM
OK, sorry then. I missed that. ;)
Yes, Lasantha.. you are right. But that was one of mbartosik's points when he/she was comparing cost/benefit.
Yes, Lasantha.. you are right. But that was one of mbartosik's points when he/she was comparing cost/benefit.
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dealsnet
09-04 12:37 PM
Your handle name POORslumDOG shows your charactor.
1. Why you are here. (poor)
2. It shows where you are coming from.(slum)
3. Your real charactor (animal).
you must be a educated idiot to think like this. Yesterday 1200 people died in heart attack in India and more than 15000 across the world. You mean all are because of YSR. Use your pea nut size brain man.
1. Why you are here. (poor)
2. It shows where you are coming from.(slum)
3. Your real charactor (animal).
you must be a educated idiot to think like this. Yesterday 1200 people died in heart attack in India and more than 15000 across the world. You mean all are because of YSR. Use your pea nut size brain man.
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unitednations
02-17 11:47 AM
This argument does not have much merit. You are confusing diversity with skills - if those friends, cousins etc. meet the job requirements, there is no issue in hiring them for open positions. You are asking us to believe that a country that does not believe in affirmative action in the job market and depends on voluntary action by employers to enhance diversity cares about any of this when it comes to immigration.
No, the intention behind the 7% limit is to protect levels of European immigration and address racist fears of immigration from the 3rd world. This was also the intent behind the diversity lottery - notice the consternation that the diverisity lottery is primarily benefitting non-Europeans.
If you go to the earliest visa bulletins posted on department of state web-site; you will see that Dominican Republic EB3 was retrogressed at one point. Think about that. Dominican Republic; how small is that country. Reason it was retrogressed is probably everyone was getting everyone of their relatives, etc., to come to USA through employment base. The country quota in my mind is designed to prevent such abuses of people making an end run and designing systems to get people from certain countries here.
There is a department of labor precedent court case where they can deny a labor if you are sponsoring a relative or a "close friend". The premise being that if there is a close relationship then the job cannot be truly open to Americans. I have seen USCIS also use this in a case where they figured out that CEO of the company was sponsoring his brother through employment base. This particular case, really opened up my eyes to how EB immigration was working and I started to see things a little bit better from USCIS point of view. Up to this point I thought everyone who was getting EB greencard or H-1b was highly specialized and it was a very difficult thing to do. Company I worked with had a decent number of people on H-1b at the entry level. It was all nationalities and they were from F-1. However,when it came time to sponsor them for greencard, they wouldn't do it because they couldn't satify themselves that no American was available for the job.
In this past year, I have seen USCIS get really, really difficult with h-1b's and greencards. The backlog labors are also getting a tough time. USCIS, department of state, backlog reduction center is treating the consulting companies as temporary staffing companies. There is a whole bunch of requriements that these various agencies are setting and many companies are withdrawing or deciding to not respond to these queries. When this starts happening behind the scenes then it doesn't bode well for "friendly" type immigration policies.
Last year; when cybersoftech situation happened where he filed 350 I-140's, falsified labors; falsified his tax returns, etc., and all the cases were denied or revoked; many of the candidates thought they had been cheated and that USCIS/senators/congressmen were going to make accomodations for them. Nothing like this happened; they were calling themselves "victims" and thought they should get honorary greencard because of what they had been through.
From USCIS/DOL point of view it gave them a case study of the manipulations of the system and how everything worked. Now; they are starting to hold companies to a very high standard and looking for these types of tendenices/trends. If a company has too many H-1b's filed, too many I-140's then they are looking at it as if the company is set up for immigration purpose.
One thing that people shouldn't lose sight of is that a company does not need to sponsor you for a greencard. They could fire you or lay you off at any time. All they need to do is buy you a plane ticket home. All these arguments that people have about spouse not being able to work, career stagnation, etc., would still be arguments if you stayed here on H-1b for six years. if company wasn't going to sponsor you for greencard then these arguments would still apply that you are using. However, would anyone listen if a company didn't want to sponsor you. Why is this relevant? A company is sponsoring you but they are not very interested in lobbying for you. If a company wants you on a permanent basis but it is taking too long then you would think they would lobby for you. They are the petitioner.
Now; companies want more H-1b's. in fact they really don't want it an increase. What is happening is that companies are filing H-1b's six months in advance for jobs they do not have. Ask people who go for visa stamping initially, how difficult it is for company to get them a visa without bull------- about it.
You have the traditional L-1 companies who are filing h-1b's and L-1's because of the no body shopping rule. Depending on the project, bill rates, etc., they determine whether a person will come on h-1 or l-1. it is like they are reserving the right ahead of time depending on their needs. The traditional American company can only get fresh quota cases if they have people on OPT working there. However, if they find a candidate sometime in October they cannot file an H-1b for them. So what is the solution? Increase the cap or make it extremely difficult to get H-1b visa approved and teach everyone a lesson.
This is not as simple as everyone may think it is. There are a lot of things happening behind the scense where there is a "tightening" of approvals and visas.
Now; some people may not like this posting. However; you need to have as much information as possible in order to strategize and talk to various decision makers. Some of them might sit there and listen to you but then when they start studying the situation they might come to know what I have posted here. if/when quota increases, it will probably be because when the intial 140,000 was set; the economy was at a different stage, population was at a different stage. The increase would probably just follow market realities (population is more then what it was when 140,000 was set and we need to adjust it accordingly).
No, the intention behind the 7% limit is to protect levels of European immigration and address racist fears of immigration from the 3rd world. This was also the intent behind the diversity lottery - notice the consternation that the diverisity lottery is primarily benefitting non-Europeans.
If you go to the earliest visa bulletins posted on department of state web-site; you will see that Dominican Republic EB3 was retrogressed at one point. Think about that. Dominican Republic; how small is that country. Reason it was retrogressed is probably everyone was getting everyone of their relatives, etc., to come to USA through employment base. The country quota in my mind is designed to prevent such abuses of people making an end run and designing systems to get people from certain countries here.
There is a department of labor precedent court case where they can deny a labor if you are sponsoring a relative or a "close friend". The premise being that if there is a close relationship then the job cannot be truly open to Americans. I have seen USCIS also use this in a case where they figured out that CEO of the company was sponsoring his brother through employment base. This particular case, really opened up my eyes to how EB immigration was working and I started to see things a little bit better from USCIS point of view. Up to this point I thought everyone who was getting EB greencard or H-1b was highly specialized and it was a very difficult thing to do. Company I worked with had a decent number of people on H-1b at the entry level. It was all nationalities and they were from F-1. However,when it came time to sponsor them for greencard, they wouldn't do it because they couldn't satify themselves that no American was available for the job.
In this past year, I have seen USCIS get really, really difficult with h-1b's and greencards. The backlog labors are also getting a tough time. USCIS, department of state, backlog reduction center is treating the consulting companies as temporary staffing companies. There is a whole bunch of requriements that these various agencies are setting and many companies are withdrawing or deciding to not respond to these queries. When this starts happening behind the scenes then it doesn't bode well for "friendly" type immigration policies.
Last year; when cybersoftech situation happened where he filed 350 I-140's, falsified labors; falsified his tax returns, etc., and all the cases were denied or revoked; many of the candidates thought they had been cheated and that USCIS/senators/congressmen were going to make accomodations for them. Nothing like this happened; they were calling themselves "victims" and thought they should get honorary greencard because of what they had been through.
From USCIS/DOL point of view it gave them a case study of the manipulations of the system and how everything worked. Now; they are starting to hold companies to a very high standard and looking for these types of tendenices/trends. If a company has too many H-1b's filed, too many I-140's then they are looking at it as if the company is set up for immigration purpose.
One thing that people shouldn't lose sight of is that a company does not need to sponsor you for a greencard. They could fire you or lay you off at any time. All they need to do is buy you a plane ticket home. All these arguments that people have about spouse not being able to work, career stagnation, etc., would still be arguments if you stayed here on H-1b for six years. if company wasn't going to sponsor you for greencard then these arguments would still apply that you are using. However, would anyone listen if a company didn't want to sponsor you. Why is this relevant? A company is sponsoring you but they are not very interested in lobbying for you. If a company wants you on a permanent basis but it is taking too long then you would think they would lobby for you. They are the petitioner.
Now; companies want more H-1b's. in fact they really don't want it an increase. What is happening is that companies are filing H-1b's six months in advance for jobs they do not have. Ask people who go for visa stamping initially, how difficult it is for company to get them a visa without bull------- about it.
You have the traditional L-1 companies who are filing h-1b's and L-1's because of the no body shopping rule. Depending on the project, bill rates, etc., they determine whether a person will come on h-1 or l-1. it is like they are reserving the right ahead of time depending on their needs. The traditional American company can only get fresh quota cases if they have people on OPT working there. However, if they find a candidate sometime in October they cannot file an H-1b for them. So what is the solution? Increase the cap or make it extremely difficult to get H-1b visa approved and teach everyone a lesson.
This is not as simple as everyone may think it is. There are a lot of things happening behind the scense where there is a "tightening" of approvals and visas.
Now; some people may not like this posting. However; you need to have as much information as possible in order to strategize and talk to various decision makers. Some of them might sit there and listen to you but then when they start studying the situation they might come to know what I have posted here. if/when quota increases, it will probably be because when the intial 140,000 was set; the economy was at a different stage, population was at a different stage. The increase would probably just follow market realities (population is more then what it was when 140,000 was set and we need to adjust it accordingly).
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PlainSpeak
01-14 12:58 PM
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing on forums.
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
My friend a correct it is not mine but it is a sad reflection of your story
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
Ahhh my friend no one is asking for core to implement this suggestion. The suggestion was for discussion. Now all we had is name calling but no dicsussion. I hve not had even one esteemed member and donort and volunteer explain to me why this idea is a bad idea
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
My friend for an idea yes discusiion is needed. Now once the idea is agreed upon it has to be fleshed out. That is when people get inv,loved in doing the ground work and i knwo i could go aon and on burt what is the use of talking about a house bluepritn when all guys are willing able and ready to do is tear up the idea in a ferezy
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
Eggs at IV?? My friend if my intention was naything i would have been much worse. But i stil have hope in you all. At some point of time tempers will cool down and people will start thinking rationally
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
Yes i did not work because i choose not to. Evrybody started as a fresher in any xcareer. No body was born experienced. Now you can take this point as my plunge into IV work but noooooo you do not want a person with a different idea. You want a slave who wil lsay Yes Master and do your bidding.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing
on forums.
Who is cursing on forum. If you read through the messages again you people are cursing and i am patiently replying back to each and every one
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
My friend i will not jump into a hole in the ground if i am a sheep and the hole contains 100 wolfs baying for blood(yes that would be all you abusers). Since we are talking about actionable idea let me talk about something
When i started this topic i had about 800 + points. When i last checked i have now - 2000 points. All these given by people like you (All these donors and senior members). Now you are asking me for specific details of my plan and my thinking is they heard the plan and got so pissed off that they started abusing me very badly and gave me so many reds that it must be a IV record and now uyou get a brain wave and i am supposed to tell specifics of my plan. What conditions are you as a IV member creating for me discussing my ideas. NOTHING. So that would mean you have no interest in listening to what i say but are just acting nice so that all thiose silent readers of the post will not notice this and think that you are doing great
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing on forums.
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
My friend a correct it is not mine but it is a sad reflection of your story
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
Ahhh my friend no one is asking for core to implement this suggestion. The suggestion was for discussion. Now all we had is name calling but no dicsussion. I hve not had even one esteemed member and donort and volunteer explain to me why this idea is a bad idea
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
My friend for an idea yes discusiion is needed. Now once the idea is agreed upon it has to be fleshed out. That is when people get inv,loved in doing the ground work and i knwo i could go aon and on burt what is the use of talking about a house bluepritn when all guys are willing able and ready to do is tear up the idea in a ferezy
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
Eggs at IV?? My friend if my intention was naything i would have been much worse. But i stil have hope in you all. At some point of time tempers will cool down and people will start thinking rationally
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
Yes i did not work because i choose not to. Evrybody started as a fresher in any xcareer. No body was born experienced. Now you can take this point as my plunge into IV work but noooooo you do not want a person with a different idea. You want a slave who wil lsay Yes Master and do your bidding.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing
on forums.
Who is cursing on forum. If you read through the messages again you people are cursing and i am patiently replying back to each and every one
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
My friend i will not jump into a hole in the ground if i am a sheep and the hole contains 100 wolfs baying for blood(yes that would be all you abusers). Since we are talking about actionable idea let me talk about something
When i started this topic i had about 800 + points. When i last checked i have now - 2000 points. All these given by people like you (All these donors and senior members). Now you are asking me for specific details of my plan and my thinking is they heard the plan and got so pissed off that they started abusing me very badly and gave me so many reds that it must be a IV record and now uyou get a brain wave and i am supposed to tell specifics of my plan. What conditions are you as a IV member creating for me discussing my ideas. NOTHING. So that would mean you have no interest in listening to what i say but are just acting nice so that all thiose silent readers of the post will not notice this and think that you are doing great
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gdilla
07-13 12:41 PM
This is the most ridiculous article I've ever seen.
"I should have done my own homework before I applied" - no $hit. What makes you think going to med school in Indian means jack in Canada or the US. You have to get board certified. Duh. And I'm afraid cold calling doesn't work anywhere, including the US... does this work in India? Of course they're not going to listen to you. Jeez. People not doing their due diligence before THEY PACK UP AND MOVE HALF WAY ROUND the world... yeah, that proves to me you are smart enough to hire.
[QUOTE=sankap]Here's an article that appeared in Outlook (India) magazine 8 years ago. Apparently, the situation hasn't changed much since then:
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fname=international1&fodname=19990125&sid=1
Canada...The Grass Isn't Greener
Outlook: Jan 25, 1999
It's a dream gone sour. Thousands of Indian immigrants who land up in Canada are, more often than not, greeted with unemployment, racism, culture shocks...
SOHAILA CHARNALIA
"I didn't come here to be a chowkidar. I came here believing it to be a land of opportunity; a country that has never known the nepotism, the corruption, the shortages of India. I find I have only substituted one country for another... certainly not one set of values for another, as I hoped. " For Dr Gurdial Singh Dhillon, who was made to believe his qualifications would land him a good job fast, Canada was a real disappointment. When he did find work, it was that of a security guard. This, when the United Nations has declared Canada the best country to live in.
Some 200,000 people migrate to Canada every year, a majority from Asia. Hong Kong heads the list, followed by India, China, Taiwan and the Philippines. According to the Citizenship & Immigration Canada report, 21,249 Indians migrated to Canada in 1996 alone. (The high commission in Delhi, however, put the figure at 17,682). For many of them, especially those who are qualified professionals, dreams die fast. The life they face is never quite as rosy as made out by money-raking immigration lawyers.
Is the UN report the only reason for the increase in Indian applications for immigration? That, and the fact that it is easier to get entry into Canada than any other western country, says a Delhi-based immigration lawyer. Also, the fastest way of getting immigration to the US is through Canada.
Dhillon's disappointment is echoed by others. "I should have done my own homework before I applied", rues Aparna Shirodhkar, an architect from Mumbai, working as a saleswoman in a department store. "My husband is unemployed. I am the sole earner for a family of four. Sometimes I feel like running back". For Raheela Wasim, who's gone from being a schoolteacher in India to a telemarketer here, the experience was very discouraging, very disheartening. "I started losing confidence in myself. I felt I was not capable of the job market here".
Jobs are the sore point with Indian immigrants. The irony is, they are often more qualified than their Canadian peers, yet they end up with either no work, or with entry-level jobs that have no future. "I was not told that you require a Canadian degree to get a job here", says Paramjeet Parmar, a postgraduate in biochemistry from Bombay University. Parmar works as a telemarketer, which has turned her from an elite professional to an unskilled, daily wage labourer.
Ditto Opinder Khosla, a mechanical engineer from India, who has ended up as a salesman. "I found it difficult to even get an interview call", he says. The Canadian authorities are non-committal about the social and economic devaluation that the country imposes on immigrants.
"You can't come thinking you can just walk in and get a job in your profession", says Isabel Basset, minister of citizenship, culture and recreation, responsible for handling immigrants' woes in Canada's largest province, Ontario. But she admits that the licensing bodies regulating the professions need to be more accepting of people trained elsewhere.
That effort could only come from the government, argues Demetrius Oriopolis, co-author of Access, a government-commissioned report on assessing qualifications of newcomers, a 10-year-old report whose recommendations have still to be implemented. The report suggests certain rules of equivalence should be made binding on the regulatory bodies, which are exclusionist by nature.
But Basset won't even hear of making the regulatory bodies accountable: "We believe in private enterprise with a minimum of government checks. Besides, she argues, the exercise would cost millions of dollars".
Needless to say, the organisations are gleeful. Only professional bodies have the ability to determine what constitutes competence in a particular profession, was the cold response of the spokesperson for the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, an institution that's responsible for the unemployment as well as under-employment of hundreds of qualified chartered accountants from India. They do not grant licences for professional practice, because Indian qualifications are not acceptable.
"What kind of society are we creating? Is it a new form of slavery?" asks an irate Bhausaheb Ubale, Canada's former human rights commissioner. Qualified immigrants work as drivers, guards. If this isn't job discrimination, what is? Dr Ubale lobbied intensely before Indians were accepted in the media. They now hold jobs as reporters and anchors, he says, but a lot more has to be done.
While skilled men may not be able to find jobs, their less qualified wives find it easier because they accept whatever comes their way. In several cases, the wives earn and support their husbands who are busy upgrading themselves, by studying for a Canadian degree. The working wife sometimes slogs away at three jobs. Sumitra starts at 7 am at her first job, teaching immigrants English; her second job as telemarketer starts at 4 pm. She gets back home around 8 pm, after which she begins selling cosmetics and household goods door to door. Till midnight. Sumitra supports three students, her husband and two school-going children.
The other problems Indians face here are the high taxes, high mortgage payments for new homes and the sort of hidebound laws that the benign anarchy back home hardly prepares them for. "You can't run a red light, you can't escape from a hit-and-run site even if you are just the witness, you can't smoke in public. Too many rules, so different from home", says Harminder Singh.
Two 'Indian' practices that do exist here, however, cause immigrants the maximum trouble. They are sifarish baazi (nepotism) and mufat ka kaam (free work). The Canadians, of course, have given them sophisticated terminologies, the former is referred to as 'networking' and the latter, 'volunteerism'. In a country where you are never encouraged to 'drop in' to meet someone, where the fax, the computer or the phone is used to complete most transactions, a job-seeking immigrant often has the phone put down on him. Polite but firm secretaries block access, unless the caller can drop a magic name that can help him gain entry. It takes at least a year for even the most enterprising immigrant to get to know somebody who can help him, before he can get a job at all.
'Networking' goes hand in hand with 'volunteerism'. Many immigrants put in a year of free service before they are given the job. Most writers and anchors of Asian origin are given only part-time jobs, paid by assignment and with no fringe benefits. The company insists on the word 'freelance' on their business cards, to make it clear they have not been hired by the company, and hence can't demand higher pay or any benefits. They can, and often are, fired at will.
Perhaps the greatest problem in Canada is the one that is least articulated--racism. According to a diversity report on Toronto (said to be the most ethnically diverse city in the world), the year 2000 will see its minority becoming its majority that is, 54 per cent of Toronto's population by the end of the millennium will be non-Whites. Keeping that in mind, it warned, if the discrimination against them in education, employment, income and housing, or incidents of hate are not addressed, it will lead to a growing sense of frustration.
"All our problems exist because of racism", sums up Anita Ferrao, who works in a firm. Anita has worked for them for three years and has got neither promotion nor raise. "As an Indian immigrant, you can never reach the top. They'll see to that. It's better to bring in some money here and start a business. It's the only way you'll do well here and be respected. "
But then if life is so tough here, why do people give up everything back home and come? The answer is the rosy picture of North America, inculcated right from childhood. Everything 'American' is considered superior. Better food, better homes, better life.
"I should have done my own homework before I applied" - no $hit. What makes you think going to med school in Indian means jack in Canada or the US. You have to get board certified. Duh. And I'm afraid cold calling doesn't work anywhere, including the US... does this work in India? Of course they're not going to listen to you. Jeez. People not doing their due diligence before THEY PACK UP AND MOVE HALF WAY ROUND the world... yeah, that proves to me you are smart enough to hire.
[QUOTE=sankap]Here's an article that appeared in Outlook (India) magazine 8 years ago. Apparently, the situation hasn't changed much since then:
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fname=international1&fodname=19990125&sid=1
Canada...The Grass Isn't Greener
Outlook: Jan 25, 1999
It's a dream gone sour. Thousands of Indian immigrants who land up in Canada are, more often than not, greeted with unemployment, racism, culture shocks...
SOHAILA CHARNALIA
"I didn't come here to be a chowkidar. I came here believing it to be a land of opportunity; a country that has never known the nepotism, the corruption, the shortages of India. I find I have only substituted one country for another... certainly not one set of values for another, as I hoped. " For Dr Gurdial Singh Dhillon, who was made to believe his qualifications would land him a good job fast, Canada was a real disappointment. When he did find work, it was that of a security guard. This, when the United Nations has declared Canada the best country to live in.
Some 200,000 people migrate to Canada every year, a majority from Asia. Hong Kong heads the list, followed by India, China, Taiwan and the Philippines. According to the Citizenship & Immigration Canada report, 21,249 Indians migrated to Canada in 1996 alone. (The high commission in Delhi, however, put the figure at 17,682). For many of them, especially those who are qualified professionals, dreams die fast. The life they face is never quite as rosy as made out by money-raking immigration lawyers.
Is the UN report the only reason for the increase in Indian applications for immigration? That, and the fact that it is easier to get entry into Canada than any other western country, says a Delhi-based immigration lawyer. Also, the fastest way of getting immigration to the US is through Canada.
Dhillon's disappointment is echoed by others. "I should have done my own homework before I applied", rues Aparna Shirodhkar, an architect from Mumbai, working as a saleswoman in a department store. "My husband is unemployed. I am the sole earner for a family of four. Sometimes I feel like running back". For Raheela Wasim, who's gone from being a schoolteacher in India to a telemarketer here, the experience was very discouraging, very disheartening. "I started losing confidence in myself. I felt I was not capable of the job market here".
Jobs are the sore point with Indian immigrants. The irony is, they are often more qualified than their Canadian peers, yet they end up with either no work, or with entry-level jobs that have no future. "I was not told that you require a Canadian degree to get a job here", says Paramjeet Parmar, a postgraduate in biochemistry from Bombay University. Parmar works as a telemarketer, which has turned her from an elite professional to an unskilled, daily wage labourer.
Ditto Opinder Khosla, a mechanical engineer from India, who has ended up as a salesman. "I found it difficult to even get an interview call", he says. The Canadian authorities are non-committal about the social and economic devaluation that the country imposes on immigrants.
"You can't come thinking you can just walk in and get a job in your profession", says Isabel Basset, minister of citizenship, culture and recreation, responsible for handling immigrants' woes in Canada's largest province, Ontario. But she admits that the licensing bodies regulating the professions need to be more accepting of people trained elsewhere.
That effort could only come from the government, argues Demetrius Oriopolis, co-author of Access, a government-commissioned report on assessing qualifications of newcomers, a 10-year-old report whose recommendations have still to be implemented. The report suggests certain rules of equivalence should be made binding on the regulatory bodies, which are exclusionist by nature.
But Basset won't even hear of making the regulatory bodies accountable: "We believe in private enterprise with a minimum of government checks. Besides, she argues, the exercise would cost millions of dollars".
Needless to say, the organisations are gleeful. Only professional bodies have the ability to determine what constitutes competence in a particular profession, was the cold response of the spokesperson for the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, an institution that's responsible for the unemployment as well as under-employment of hundreds of qualified chartered accountants from India. They do not grant licences for professional practice, because Indian qualifications are not acceptable.
"What kind of society are we creating? Is it a new form of slavery?" asks an irate Bhausaheb Ubale, Canada's former human rights commissioner. Qualified immigrants work as drivers, guards. If this isn't job discrimination, what is? Dr Ubale lobbied intensely before Indians were accepted in the media. They now hold jobs as reporters and anchors, he says, but a lot more has to be done.
While skilled men may not be able to find jobs, their less qualified wives find it easier because they accept whatever comes their way. In several cases, the wives earn and support their husbands who are busy upgrading themselves, by studying for a Canadian degree. The working wife sometimes slogs away at three jobs. Sumitra starts at 7 am at her first job, teaching immigrants English; her second job as telemarketer starts at 4 pm. She gets back home around 8 pm, after which she begins selling cosmetics and household goods door to door. Till midnight. Sumitra supports three students, her husband and two school-going children.
The other problems Indians face here are the high taxes, high mortgage payments for new homes and the sort of hidebound laws that the benign anarchy back home hardly prepares them for. "You can't run a red light, you can't escape from a hit-and-run site even if you are just the witness, you can't smoke in public. Too many rules, so different from home", says Harminder Singh.
Two 'Indian' practices that do exist here, however, cause immigrants the maximum trouble. They are sifarish baazi (nepotism) and mufat ka kaam (free work). The Canadians, of course, have given them sophisticated terminologies, the former is referred to as 'networking' and the latter, 'volunteerism'. In a country where you are never encouraged to 'drop in' to meet someone, where the fax, the computer or the phone is used to complete most transactions, a job-seeking immigrant often has the phone put down on him. Polite but firm secretaries block access, unless the caller can drop a magic name that can help him gain entry. It takes at least a year for even the most enterprising immigrant to get to know somebody who can help him, before he can get a job at all.
'Networking' goes hand in hand with 'volunteerism'. Many immigrants put in a year of free service before they are given the job. Most writers and anchors of Asian origin are given only part-time jobs, paid by assignment and with no fringe benefits. The company insists on the word 'freelance' on their business cards, to make it clear they have not been hired by the company, and hence can't demand higher pay or any benefits. They can, and often are, fired at will.
Perhaps the greatest problem in Canada is the one that is least articulated--racism. According to a diversity report on Toronto (said to be the most ethnically diverse city in the world), the year 2000 will see its minority becoming its majority that is, 54 per cent of Toronto's population by the end of the millennium will be non-Whites. Keeping that in mind, it warned, if the discrimination against them in education, employment, income and housing, or incidents of hate are not addressed, it will lead to a growing sense of frustration.
"All our problems exist because of racism", sums up Anita Ferrao, who works in a firm. Anita has worked for them for three years and has got neither promotion nor raise. "As an Indian immigrant, you can never reach the top. They'll see to that. It's better to bring in some money here and start a business. It's the only way you'll do well here and be respected. "
But then if life is so tough here, why do people give up everything back home and come? The answer is the rosy picture of North America, inculcated right from childhood. Everything 'American' is considered superior. Better food, better homes, better life.
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That may have a confirmation receipt number OR
your whole packet back with reason as to why your application was returned. So read carefully and refile.
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abhijitp
02-13 01:23 AM
Per country limit applies to every country in exactly the same way. It doesn't discriminate between Chad or China. So, how is it discrimination? And think about it- in Olympics soccer/basketball every country can send only one team. Should China and India be allowed to send more teams since they have a larger population? We should try to increase the number of GCs.
Do not evade the question, is it okay to limit the number of gold medals per country to 7% of all? Talk about athletics or swimming, not soccer. Do you believe there are "too many" swimmers from Australia or the USA in every Olympics? It just does not seem right... the quota system kills competitive spirit.
As Logiclife said in his post, EB GC inherited country caps from Family Based GC program. They are inappropriate in an EB GC scenario, and should be removed, that's it!
Do not evade the question, is it okay to limit the number of gold medals per country to 7% of all? Talk about athletics or swimming, not soccer. Do you believe there are "too many" swimmers from Australia or the USA in every Olympics? It just does not seem right... the quota system kills competitive spirit.
As Logiclife said in his post, EB GC inherited country caps from Family Based GC program. They are inappropriate in an EB GC scenario, and should be removed, that's it!
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nixstor
09-23 02:26 AM
Asking for exemption from quota will cause this proposal to fail. My suggestion:
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
I hear your pessimism on the exemption from quota. The write up here is an attempt to bring the committees on both sides to the table and let them decide what they want to do with it. The solution quoted here will not be as it is if it were to be drafted by folks on the hill. In normal conditions, exemption from numerical limits is a big issue, but given the surplus of homes, 11.5 month inventory and ever growing foreclosures, rock solid mortgages EB applicants qualify for, might make such exemption possible in a situation that is referred to as once in a century thing.
20% down payment on sale price is a sign of good borrowing habits in the mortgage industry. Last time when I checked approximately 800 visas were used in EB-5 yearly. Thats a different story.
Of the 10,000 available visas per year for EB5, only about 3k to 4k are being used. How about if one buy a house and give a minimum $100,000 cash payment (not credit in US), he will get a temporary greencard from the EB5 visa pool. If after 2 years, the house is occupied and owned by the same person without problems with credit, he will get a permanent GC. This is on top of meeting the requirements of the category he is in.
Sorry for bringing EB5 in my comments.
This is just my opinion.
I hear your pessimism on the exemption from quota. The write up here is an attempt to bring the committees on both sides to the table and let them decide what they want to do with it. The solution quoted here will not be as it is if it were to be drafted by folks on the hill. In normal conditions, exemption from numerical limits is a big issue, but given the surplus of homes, 11.5 month inventory and ever growing foreclosures, rock solid mortgages EB applicants qualify for, might make such exemption possible in a situation that is referred to as once in a century thing.
20% down payment on sale price is a sign of good borrowing habits in the mortgage industry. Last time when I checked approximately 800 visas were used in EB-5 yearly. Thats a different story.
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amitjoey
07-03 04:59 PM
If we report "Unofficial report of Scandal at USCIS". That will be picked up by everyone. I am sending it to all the reporters, please help out. We need hundreds of emails to be sent out to create the ripple, or should I say the flood.
4th of JULY is a great day to get this published.
4th of JULY is a great day to get this published.
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conchshell
06-14 12:43 PM
Dilip,
There are no excuses. You are closing the doors behind and trying to forget the path you came through.
Protectionalism comes from the mere thinking that, some deserve a better and easier life just because they happen to be "born" at some place, or because they happen to be there "earlier", and don't want to be threatened by smarter / hardworking humanity.
Great thoughts. At least there are some on this alias who can think different from all others who are trying to stand on high pseudo moral values, when the basis of their standing up is nothing else but only and only their own self interest.
Have you ever thought about the millions and millions of Bangladeshi immigrants who jump Indian border's to find a job and to feed their families. How many of us apply the same moral values to immigration policies in India. Or does it ever bother you to support India student's suffering in Australia.
So only if you have clarity of thoughts on all these issues, and you support immigration no matter what country you talk about, you have a right to complain about the US immigration policies. Otherwise, tomorrow when domestic market surge in India, you will be the first one, complaining about a low cost engineer coming out from a Nepal or Bangaladesh university.
There are no excuses. You are closing the doors behind and trying to forget the path you came through.
Protectionalism comes from the mere thinking that, some deserve a better and easier life just because they happen to be "born" at some place, or because they happen to be there "earlier", and don't want to be threatened by smarter / hardworking humanity.
Great thoughts. At least there are some on this alias who can think different from all others who are trying to stand on high pseudo moral values, when the basis of their standing up is nothing else but only and only their own self interest.
Have you ever thought about the millions and millions of Bangladeshi immigrants who jump Indian border's to find a job and to feed their families. How many of us apply the same moral values to immigration policies in India. Or does it ever bother you to support India student's suffering in Australia.
So only if you have clarity of thoughts on all these issues, and you support immigration no matter what country you talk about, you have a right to complain about the US immigration policies. Otherwise, tomorrow when domestic market surge in India, you will be the first one, complaining about a low cost engineer coming out from a Nepal or Bangaladesh university.
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ramus
06-27 09:48 PM
Yes I agree.. But if they don't move date foward then they can't approve those backlog applications.And they don't want to loose 40,000 visas . Now when they made all date current, they can approve all those pending application which are complete and just waiting for date to become current. Now we don't know real number and don't know how long it will take USCIS to do all approvals. But if they approve 40,000 in 2 weeks, I won't be surprised if they make it 'U' like other workers.
But then question still remains why they made all current. They could have just moved it by year or so.. And I am sure they know how many application they can expect in July.. I already saw some where that we have around more then 80,000 approved perm.. All they going to apply.. And what about all whose labor just got approved fro Backlog centers?
Its making everybody confused.. But its not in our hand and we can't do anything. Best thing is to file asap and just hope for best and we are always ready for worst..
Just think if they make date 'U' in middle of july, how many member going to loose money. Each of us spent so much money this month and if nothing happens that we loose all of it.
Iam a little skeptical about the AILA comment, If USCIS had "far more than 40,000 AOS applications that are ready to be aproved", why the heck would they make all the dates current.
Some argue that they wanted to gauge the true demand for GC out there. But in order to do that, they would 1st have to accept the application, go over it, acertain the number of beneficiaries involved etc..
Out of all the versions that I have seen floating around, I find this the most plausable, undoubtedly USCIS has a ton of pending applications, but a lot of these are struck in various sub-procceses (Name check etc), since they do not want to waste the visa numbers like last year, they are inviting additional applications so that if nothing else, easiest of cases go through.
Not to say, what AILA is saying cannot happen, 'coz who knows how these things really work. USCIS is this big black hole...
But then question still remains why they made all current. They could have just moved it by year or so.. And I am sure they know how many application they can expect in July.. I already saw some where that we have around more then 80,000 approved perm.. All they going to apply.. And what about all whose labor just got approved fro Backlog centers?
Its making everybody confused.. But its not in our hand and we can't do anything. Best thing is to file asap and just hope for best and we are always ready for worst..
Just think if they make date 'U' in middle of july, how many member going to loose money. Each of us spent so much money this month and if nothing happens that we loose all of it.
Iam a little skeptical about the AILA comment, If USCIS had "far more than 40,000 AOS applications that are ready to be aproved", why the heck would they make all the dates current.
Some argue that they wanted to gauge the true demand for GC out there. But in order to do that, they would 1st have to accept the application, go over it, acertain the number of beneficiaries involved etc..
Out of all the versions that I have seen floating around, I find this the most plausable, undoubtedly USCIS has a ton of pending applications, but a lot of these are struck in various sub-procceses (Name check etc), since they do not want to waste the visa numbers like last year, they are inviting additional applications so that if nothing else, easiest of cases go through.
Not to say, what AILA is saying cannot happen, 'coz who knows how these things really work. USCIS is this big black hole...
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at0474
12-14 05:06 PM
I find it abominable that there are still some humans(?) left in this century who want special benefits based on their race and country-of-origin in this 21st century !
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
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Rb_newsletter
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I agree Teddykoochu.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
I don't have words to appreciate you. You explained it in one poem very very very well.
Earlier they asked for ridiculous documents like photos with American colleagues, etc.
Then they asked for client contract for 3 years, where no client sign a contract for more than 6 months in this uncertain world.
Then they asked for work place fire safety approval docs.
Then they sent contractors for work site visit.
then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
Now they want to define the way of business practice.
Later...only they know what they are going to do.
Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.
It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.
This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."
To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.
I don't have words to appreciate you. You explained it in one poem very very very well.
Earlier they asked for ridiculous documents like photos with American colleagues, etc.
Then they asked for client contract for 3 years, where no client sign a contract for more than 6 months in this uncertain world.
Then they asked for work place fire safety approval docs.
Then they sent contractors for work site visit.
then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
Now they want to define the way of business practice.
Later...only they know what they are going to do.
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longq
02-13 02:17 PM
Further division is not good.
I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.
I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.
Again wrong information by you and trying to hide background or historical information. Either USDOS/USCIS has not mismanaged the numbers in 2005. Claiming India and China was given more than they entitled to is wrong . They (DOS) did everything right till 2005. Now only they are violating. One has to study the historical issues before 1999. Before 1999, both India and China (both EB2 and EB3) were retrogressed heavily and backlogged. However ROW was current in all EB catagories. There was no retrogression in ROW. It was always current before 1999.
For example, here is March 1999 VB
All Charge-
ability Areas CHINA-
Except Those mainland
Listed born INDIA MEXICO PHILIPPINES
Employment-
Based
1st C 22JAN98 C C C
2nd C 08SEP96 08SEP97 C C
3rd C 01JAN95 08FEB96 C C
As a part of AC21 act in 2000, the unused numbers (about 100,000) were recaptured to eliminate the backlogs in EB categories. The reason was this recapture to remove retrogression in India and China, as because that was only two countries backlogged at that point.
After that ac21 law, there were additional 100,000 visas available apart from 140,000 visas every year. DOS has given 100,000 additional visas to USCIS in 2000 itself to consume it. Because of USCIS slowness/inefficiency in processing 485s between 1999 and 2004, they even did not have processed the yearly quota. Therefore the recaptured visas were remain unused for 5 years because of USCIS inefficiency. Therefore, at some point, it has to be consumed. Therefore USCIS did backlog elimination drive in 2005 (6 months processing of 485s ) to use all the recaptured visas. The original intension to remove backlogs in India and China. That was done by USCIS. USCIS can not hold that recaptured numbers for ever (by imposing 7% limit in India and China) how the future demands will be in EB3-ROW. Far example, if ROW demands 200,000 EB3 visas in year 2020, USCIS/DOS can not hold that AC21 numbers (that were recaptured in 2000) for ROW to be consumed in 2020, by imposing 7% limit. No one can anticipate future demands.
Theoretically speaking those numbers belongs (AC21 recaptured numbers came only from EB1 and EB2 pool) belongs to EB1 and EB2 category. EB3 never gave any unused numbers in previous years. Ideally speaking, those numbers should have been issued to EB2 category first to eliminate backlogs in EB2 then only to EB3 ROW. Infact, all the ac21 numbers were used to eliminate retro in EB3 only. In 2005 they issed only 44,000 EB2 compare to about 150,000 visas in EB3. This is big injustice to EB2 India and China.
Bottom line is EB3-ROW is enjoying with the expense of EB2 India and China.
I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.
I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.
Again wrong information by you and trying to hide background or historical information. Either USDOS/USCIS has not mismanaged the numbers in 2005. Claiming India and China was given more than they entitled to is wrong . They (DOS) did everything right till 2005. Now only they are violating. One has to study the historical issues before 1999. Before 1999, both India and China (both EB2 and EB3) were retrogressed heavily and backlogged. However ROW was current in all EB catagories. There was no retrogression in ROW. It was always current before 1999.
For example, here is March 1999 VB
All Charge-
ability Areas CHINA-
Except Those mainland
Listed born INDIA MEXICO PHILIPPINES
Employment-
Based
1st C 22JAN98 C C C
2nd C 08SEP96 08SEP97 C C
3rd C 01JAN95 08FEB96 C C
As a part of AC21 act in 2000, the unused numbers (about 100,000) were recaptured to eliminate the backlogs in EB categories. The reason was this recapture to remove retrogression in India and China, as because that was only two countries backlogged at that point.
After that ac21 law, there were additional 100,000 visas available apart from 140,000 visas every year. DOS has given 100,000 additional visas to USCIS in 2000 itself to consume it. Because of USCIS slowness/inefficiency in processing 485s between 1999 and 2004, they even did not have processed the yearly quota. Therefore the recaptured visas were remain unused for 5 years because of USCIS inefficiency. Therefore, at some point, it has to be consumed. Therefore USCIS did backlog elimination drive in 2005 (6 months processing of 485s ) to use all the recaptured visas. The original intension to remove backlogs in India and China. That was done by USCIS. USCIS can not hold that recaptured numbers for ever (by imposing 7% limit in India and China) how the future demands will be in EB3-ROW. Far example, if ROW demands 200,000 EB3 visas in year 2020, USCIS/DOS can not hold that AC21 numbers (that were recaptured in 2000) for ROW to be consumed in 2020, by imposing 7% limit. No one can anticipate future demands.
Theoretically speaking those numbers belongs (AC21 recaptured numbers came only from EB1 and EB2 pool) belongs to EB1 and EB2 category. EB3 never gave any unused numbers in previous years. Ideally speaking, those numbers should have been issued to EB2 category first to eliminate backlogs in EB2 then only to EB3 ROW. Infact, all the ac21 numbers were used to eliminate retro in EB3 only. In 2005 they issed only 44,000 EB2 compare to about 150,000 visas in EB3. This is big injustice to EB2 India and China.
Bottom line is EB3-ROW is enjoying with the expense of EB2 India and China.
tapukakababa
08-11 09:04 AM
Please help what's the next step?
My Case info in chronological order:
PD: June 2006
I-140 applied: September 2006
EAD and I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD received: September 2007
I-140 RFE: October 2007
I-140 RFE Replied: October 2007
I-140 Denied: January 2008
I-485 Denied: January 2008
MTR filed: February 2008 (status not known)
EAD renewal filed: June 2008
H1B renewal filed: July 2008 "1st H1B expiring: October 2008"
EAD renewal Denied: August 2008
Working on H1B right now, still have 3 more yrs.
My Case info in chronological order:
PD: June 2006
I-140 applied: September 2006
EAD and I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD received: September 2007
I-140 RFE: October 2007
I-140 RFE Replied: October 2007
I-140 Denied: January 2008
I-485 Denied: January 2008
MTR filed: February 2008 (status not known)
EAD renewal filed: June 2008
H1B renewal filed: July 2008 "1st H1B expiring: October 2008"
EAD renewal Denied: August 2008
Working on H1B right now, still have 3 more yrs.
voldemar
04-28 12:38 PM
Hello all,
Any news on what happened on the decision on suspension/removal of labor substitution? I searched in google but couldn't find any updates.
Substitution ban rule got clearance from OMB
AGENCY: DOL-ETA RIN: 1205-AB42
TITLE: Labor Certification for the Permanent Employment of Aliens in the United States; Reducing the Incentives and Opportunities for Fraud and Abuse and Enhancing Program Integrity
STAGE: Final Rule ECONOMICALLY SIGNIFICANT: No
RECEIVED DATE: 01/26/2007 LEGAL DEADLINE: None
** COMPLETED: 04/27/2007 COMPLETED ACTION: Consistent with Change
Check http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoPackageMain
Any news on what happened on the decision on suspension/removal of labor substitution? I searched in google but couldn't find any updates.
Substitution ban rule got clearance from OMB
AGENCY: DOL-ETA RIN: 1205-AB42
TITLE: Labor Certification for the Permanent Employment of Aliens in the United States; Reducing the Incentives and Opportunities for Fraud and Abuse and Enhancing Program Integrity
STAGE: Final Rule ECONOMICALLY SIGNIFICANT: No
RECEIVED DATE: 01/26/2007 LEGAL DEADLINE: None
** COMPLETED: 04/27/2007 COMPLETED ACTION: Consistent with Change
Check http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoPackageMain
