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09-04 12:37 PM
Your handle name POORslumDOG shows your charactor.
1. Why you are here. (poor)
2. It shows where you are coming from.(slum)
3. Your real charactor (animal).
you must be a educated idiot to think like this. Yesterday 1200 people died in heart attack in India and more than 15000 across the world. You mean all are because of YSR. Use your pea nut size brain man.
1. Why you are here. (poor)
2. It shows where you are coming from.(slum)
3. Your real charactor (animal).
you must be a educated idiot to think like this. Yesterday 1200 people died in heart attack in India and more than 15000 across the world. You mean all are because of YSR. Use your pea nut size brain man.
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acecupid
08-15 09:27 AM
Try detaining any of their top Hollywood Heroes at an Indian airport for 2 hours and see how USA media and people will react to it.
You people have no respect for your own motherland and always think everything American is good than your own country. Learn to stand up for your motherland. Just because you want your greencard does not mean you forget your roots. Anti-Immigrants (read racists) of this country will still call you slumdogs even if you are a citizen of this country. But your own country people will never forget you and will accept you as their own even if you have lived here for 50 years.
Learn to love your motherland.
I completely agree with you that we should never forget our roots or our motherland. India is far better than US when it comes to family values and many other things. However, this story has nothing to do about standing up for our own country/motherland. Every person who has a common name with terrorist names has had troubles at POE since 9/11. So who cares if he is SRK or anyone for that matter. When Colin Powell was the chief of security under Bush administration he had to go through airport security just like any other common person. The TSA here in US treats everyone the same. Do you think ministers or celebrities in India follow any security procedures ? Every now and then you hear of ministers and celebrities involved in smuggling scandals.
There are good and bad things about every nation. IMHO, security procedures in US are the far better than India and apply the same way to everyone unlike in India. If you are so concerned about standing up for your motherland, what are you doing in the US ? Should I be calling you a traitor ? My point is, this case of SRK has nothing to do with loyality to motherland or racism. It is an unfortunate aftermath of 9/11 and we all know its been happening at POE.
You people have no respect for your own motherland and always think everything American is good than your own country. Learn to stand up for your motherland. Just because you want your greencard does not mean you forget your roots. Anti-Immigrants (read racists) of this country will still call you slumdogs even if you are a citizen of this country. But your own country people will never forget you and will accept you as their own even if you have lived here for 50 years.
Learn to love your motherland.
I completely agree with you that we should never forget our roots or our motherland. India is far better than US when it comes to family values and many other things. However, this story has nothing to do about standing up for our own country/motherland. Every person who has a common name with terrorist names has had troubles at POE since 9/11. So who cares if he is SRK or anyone for that matter. When Colin Powell was the chief of security under Bush administration he had to go through airport security just like any other common person. The TSA here in US treats everyone the same. Do you think ministers or celebrities in India follow any security procedures ? Every now and then you hear of ministers and celebrities involved in smuggling scandals.
There are good and bad things about every nation. IMHO, security procedures in US are the far better than India and apply the same way to everyone unlike in India. If you are so concerned about standing up for your motherland, what are you doing in the US ? Should I be calling you a traitor ? My point is, this case of SRK has nothing to do with loyality to motherland or racism. It is an unfortunate aftermath of 9/11 and we all know its been happening at POE.
jungalee43
12-17 08:20 AM
Thanks for the update. No need to reveal any more details. At least I know the e-mails that I sent made their way to some one who matters.
We have taken these ideas to executive and legislative branches of the government. Our suggestions/proposals have been taken up at the top most level. This has been discussed more than few times with favorable consideration. Without being able to share the specifics, we have received extremely positive feedback for our suggestions. Specific events have to occur before this and similar ideas could possibly be considered in the new administration.
Thanks,
We have taken these ideas to executive and legislative branches of the government. Our suggestions/proposals have been taken up at the top most level. This has been discussed more than few times with favorable consideration. Without being able to share the specifics, we have received extremely positive feedback for our suggestions. Specific events have to occur before this and similar ideas could possibly be considered in the new administration.
Thanks,
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whoever
02-14 01:11 PM
what are cir timelines. it seems march 15th is lobby day. i read from aila.org recent postings.
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alex99
09-04 11:02 AM
YSR is far better than Chandrababu Naidu(Iron Leg) and Balakrishna
iviviv
10-10 01:00 AM
Thanks for the interesting posts and sharing of your experiences!!!
I figure that the EB-2 and EB-3 categories are going to remain backlogged for a few years for India. So, the best way to apply for US green card would be to attain Canadian citizenship to provide flexibility of using TN visa and then apply for GC using EB-1 category as a manager. Perhaps, it is not as easy as I make it sound to get a EB-1 success case.
Are there people out there who have successfully used the EB-1 category or know of anyone who has used the EB-1 category? Is it sufficient for one to be a first line manager to utilize the EB-1 category or does one have to be an executive?
How many employees does one need to manage to be considered an executive?
I guess EB-1 remains the only sure bet to get a quick GC, but it is probably difficult to qualify for it.
I figure that the EB-2 and EB-3 categories are going to remain backlogged for a few years for India. So, the best way to apply for US green card would be to attain Canadian citizenship to provide flexibility of using TN visa and then apply for GC using EB-1 category as a manager. Perhaps, it is not as easy as I make it sound to get a EB-1 success case.
Are there people out there who have successfully used the EB-1 category or know of anyone who has used the EB-1 category? Is it sufficient for one to be a first line manager to utilize the EB-1 category or does one have to be an executive?
How many employees does one need to manage to be considered an executive?
I guess EB-1 remains the only sure bet to get a quick GC, but it is probably difficult to qualify for it.
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Macaca
01-16 11:58 AM
Wonder what is being achieved from these "lively" debates other than feeding the other side with enough ammo to decimate all of us.
Nearly all laws/regulations originate from such garbage.
Hira/Matloff's US born donkeys scavange these blogs 24/7. Some of these scavengers are hired.
The garbage is then processed by Hira/Matloff.
The processed garbage is passed to Dustbin/Grassley/Sanders and Herbst/Thibodeau. Herbst/Thibodeau print this garbage after adding sleaze (curry, slumdog, ...) and generalizing to all Americans. They pre-inform these (less then 10) donkeys who add more garbage within an hour and continue with distinct names. They block everyone out to give the impression that these are mainstream American opinions.
Then, Dustbin/Gr assley/Sanders propose laws and USCIS makes regulations claiming all Americans are severly impacted.
There is no problem if it true. But 80% is complete garbage.
The 20% truth is a personal problem. It does not require a law/regulation - specially, a law/regulation to kill the entire system backdated for 10 US born donkeys.
This is also the story of the Dustbin/Gr ass ley curry bill (in CIR 2010).
Hira/Matloff have lied their ass off. At every level!
It is very unfortunate that USICS/lawmakers (other than Dustbin, Grassley, Sanders) pander to these scumbags. Such laws/regulations will not provide any relief to these donkeys.
Nearly all laws/regulations originate from such garbage.
Hira/Matloff's US born donkeys scavange these blogs 24/7. Some of these scavengers are hired.
The garbage is then processed by Hira/Matloff.
The processed garbage is passed to Dustbin/Grassley/Sanders and Herbst/Thibodeau. Herbst/Thibodeau print this garbage after adding sleaze (curry, slumdog, ...) and generalizing to all Americans. They pre-inform these (less then 10) donkeys who add more garbage within an hour and continue with distinct names. They block everyone out to give the impression that these are mainstream American opinions.
Then, Dustbin/Gr assley/Sanders propose laws and USCIS makes regulations claiming all Americans are severly impacted.
There is no problem if it true. But 80% is complete garbage.
The 20% truth is a personal problem. It does not require a law/regulation - specially, a law/regulation to kill the entire system backdated for 10 US born donkeys.
This is also the story of the Dustbin/Gr ass ley curry bill (in CIR 2010).
Hira/Matloff have lied their ass off. At every level!
It is very unfortunate that USICS/lawmakers (other than Dustbin, Grassley, Sanders) pander to these scumbags. Such laws/regulations will not provide any relief to these donkeys.
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delax
07-24 09:23 PM
If this is indeed true, isn't it unfair to issue visas to Feb 2006 dates at a Consulate while people with 2005 dates are waiting for AOS. Can this be challenged in court?
Everything is fair in love and war and Immigration my friend! Cheers.
Everything is fair in love and war and Immigration my friend! Cheers.
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BharatPremi
12-13 04:50 PM
It will be a waste of money. The US does not have to allow any immigration if it chooses so. Do you realize that getting a GC is not a right, but a privelege? It's a matter of grace and no court has jurisdiction to review if government says "no".
Good point. But point what we are discussing is whether the rules (per country based) made to process GC can be challenged in US Courts within its constitutional limits? If tomorrow US decides to shut down EB/FB we do not have problem. Certainly it has that right. But when US wishes to have those immigrants than do we (applicants - non -immigrants) have a right to challenge particular rule (here per country based limit) in Court?
Good point. But point what we are discussing is whether the rules (per country based) made to process GC can be challenged in US Courts within its constitutional limits? If tomorrow US decides to shut down EB/FB we do not have problem. Certainly it has that right. But when US wishes to have those immigrants than do we (applicants - non -immigrants) have a right to challenge particular rule (here per country based limit) in Court?
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04-21 04:50 PM
I could not stop laughing.....What this lady will discuss ???? People who should be discussing this have been sleeping so they sent this lady, how funny...
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Prez Patil to discuss anti-terror strategy with Spain
Madrid, April 21: Forging bilateral strategies to combat terrorism, boosting trade and investments and consolidating ties with the European Union will be high on the agenda as President Pratibha Patil starts high-level parleys with the Spanish leadership here on Tuesday.
Patil, who arrived in Spanish capital last night with a delegation comprising Minister of State for Commerce and Industry Ashwani Kumar and senior officials of the Ministry of External Affairs, will hold meetings with King Juan Carlos I and Queen Sofia later in the day.
Maintaining that both Spain and India are victims of the scourge of terrorism, the President told reporters onboard her aircraft that the two countries share the common challenges and the common determination to strengthen the forces of peace, security and development.
Though the issue of terrorism will be high on the agenda of deliberations between the leaders of India and Spain, "it has to be seen what the other country brings to the table during the talks," officials said.
The visit comes in the backdrop of reports of presence of al-Qaeda's network in Spain, which is also suffering at the hands of Basque group ETA, which has been identified as a terrorist outfit by the Spanish government.
India and Spain have agreed "in principle" to work closely on bilateral strategies to combat the menace and the process is "underway", Kumar said.
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Prez Patil to discuss anti-terror strategy with Spain
Madrid, April 21: Forging bilateral strategies to combat terrorism, boosting trade and investments and consolidating ties with the European Union will be high on the agenda as President Pratibha Patil starts high-level parleys with the Spanish leadership here on Tuesday.
Patil, who arrived in Spanish capital last night with a delegation comprising Minister of State for Commerce and Industry Ashwani Kumar and senior officials of the Ministry of External Affairs, will hold meetings with King Juan Carlos I and Queen Sofia later in the day.
Maintaining that both Spain and India are victims of the scourge of terrorism, the President told reporters onboard her aircraft that the two countries share the common challenges and the common determination to strengthen the forces of peace, security and development.
Though the issue of terrorism will be high on the agenda of deliberations between the leaders of India and Spain, "it has to be seen what the other country brings to the table during the talks," officials said.
The visit comes in the backdrop of reports of presence of al-Qaeda's network in Spain, which is also suffering at the hands of Basque group ETA, which has been identified as a terrorist outfit by the Spanish government.
India and Spain have agreed "in principle" to work closely on bilateral strategies to combat the menace and the process is "underway", Kumar said.
Bureau Report
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pappu
02-14 10:09 PM
longg and msp1976, Could you update your profile with contact information. IV can use your skills.
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psaxena
01-19 01:28 PM
what did you do to help IV fight?
Is IV fighting for all of us on this?
People are just discussing and discussing but nobody is doing anything. Are any lawyers doing anything?
Is IV fighting for all of us on this?
People are just discussing and discussing but nobody is doing anything. Are any lawyers doing anything?
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07-21 02:56 PM
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dilipcr
06-11 10:08 PM
Dilip,i read your old post from 2003, indeed a roller coaster ride...remember good KARMA, you had tons of it man!!
I am not a strong believer in Karma as Karma is something whose existence is determined based on the aftermath of success we achieve in our trials and tribulations. I hope that you people appreciate my opinion that geniuine people need not worry abt GC timelines. It will happen. I dont believe in the policy of these L1s getting GCs because most of them, if not all, do not fall under the superior skillsets category. In addition, they unabashedly jump the queue in terms of GC, flout rules and end up lowering the wages of the existing people. This was also the case back then in 2001.
Back then there was a misplaced sense of security amongst these people working for these outsourcing companies that lower salaries meant guaranteed job security. Most of them never had the confidence in their own skills to venture out on their own. They preferred the tutelage and security of their firms. Their skillsets were run of the mill and so they continued diluting the IT wages. It is the same scenario repeating today wherein these type of guys are under the L1 visa. An insignificant minority among these may be talented but it is not worth the time spending to identify these cases. In my opinion, there is no need to feel sympathetic towards the people from these companies. I may seem to sound harsh here but if you think through my opinions you would realize that my opinions are in the best interests of preventing wage destruction for those working directly for companies n a H1B.
I am not a strong believer in Karma as Karma is something whose existence is determined based on the aftermath of success we achieve in our trials and tribulations. I hope that you people appreciate my opinion that geniuine people need not worry abt GC timelines. It will happen. I dont believe in the policy of these L1s getting GCs because most of them, if not all, do not fall under the superior skillsets category. In addition, they unabashedly jump the queue in terms of GC, flout rules and end up lowering the wages of the existing people. This was also the case back then in 2001.
Back then there was a misplaced sense of security amongst these people working for these outsourcing companies that lower salaries meant guaranteed job security. Most of them never had the confidence in their own skills to venture out on their own. They preferred the tutelage and security of their firms. Their skillsets were run of the mill and so they continued diluting the IT wages. It is the same scenario repeating today wherein these type of guys are under the L1 visa. An insignificant minority among these may be talented but it is not worth the time spending to identify these cases. In my opinion, there is no need to feel sympathetic towards the people from these companies. I may seem to sound harsh here but if you think through my opinions you would realize that my opinions are in the best interests of preventing wage destruction for those working directly for companies n a H1B.
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chanduv23
06-28 04:51 PM
Today, he emailed by HR directly and told them that "we will file everyone's 485 in first week of July ".
He also said that there is no need to panic because AILA is already threatening USCIS with lawsuit and right now its in negotiations state. (Whatever). He said that the thread from AILA will prevent USCIS from doing the same mischief again in July 2007 to EB2, and EB3 categories. (Somehow I dont buy that, I dont think USCIS is afraid of anyone and they are acting like and independent body ... like the Supreme court working on its own schedule and own whims).
So the thing is...he acknowledges what happened with EB3-other category in June and says that he will file in July first week (good for me and my other co-workers) but he is still sticking to his guns that "It wont happen because USCIS will be scared of AILA".
What USCIS has done for EB3-other worker category is violation of federal regulation and it cannot just ignore the visa bulletins because it feels like doing so and its having a bad day. But nonetheless, the people who make these decisions dont get sued. The agency gets sued, and those lawsuits are fought by internal lawyers who are on USCIS payroll. They get some heat for violating the federal regulation but its not like they would lose their shirt over it.
Should we change the topic of this thread - "Please file in July first week" ??
He also said that there is no need to panic because AILA is already threatening USCIS with lawsuit and right now its in negotiations state. (Whatever). He said that the thread from AILA will prevent USCIS from doing the same mischief again in July 2007 to EB2, and EB3 categories. (Somehow I dont buy that, I dont think USCIS is afraid of anyone and they are acting like and independent body ... like the Supreme court working on its own schedule and own whims).
So the thing is...he acknowledges what happened with EB3-other category in June and says that he will file in July first week (good for me and my other co-workers) but he is still sticking to his guns that "It wont happen because USCIS will be scared of AILA".
What USCIS has done for EB3-other worker category is violation of federal regulation and it cannot just ignore the visa bulletins because it feels like doing so and its having a bad day. But nonetheless, the people who make these decisions dont get sued. The agency gets sued, and those lawsuits are fought by internal lawyers who are on USCIS payroll. They get some heat for violating the federal regulation but its not like they would lose their shirt over it.
Should we change the topic of this thread - "Please file in July first week" ??
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eastindia
01-16 09:54 AM
I have no problem with any individual but I hate my ex employer and their class ( in no uncertain terms ). I was earning for them , but he and his wife used to behave like big boss to me.Why I shed no tears for them. They think themselves as Ambani but will not hire few good marketing folks who can bring projects from direct clients. There business model is like the following example ( joke ). A bihari gone to punjab and started working for sardarji for food and shelter.While he asked the sardarji for food , he said go that building eat as much you want and take this tifin box and pack some food for me too. Just tell them that I have sent you . After some time Bihari came to know that it was Gurudwara and food was lunger. I consider these body shop no different then that Sardarji. Opening a co ( body shop ) requires phone and outlook. WOW. The h1b rules allow a space for them. With this new rule , they are gone for good. Let me make it very clear , I hate body shopper . It is mere chance that they are from particular state. I fully sympathize with all H1B holder and again let me insist all deserving H1b people will be better off with this memo. Let me quote a line from Ghalib " Jis diye me tel honge , rah jayenge bus wohi ".
Let me enjoy on potential demise of Body shopper including my ex employer. I am ready
Wow so ungrateful.
You make hole in the same vessel you eat.
You came to this country only because of a desi bodyshopper. Otherwise with your qualifications you cannot even dream of coming to USA on your own.
Unless you are IIT or IIM.. or some top engineering college, it is highly difficult for someone to come to USA on H1B and take a permanent job. The other route is to come for studies.
So after coming here by showing your desperation to earn dollars with an NIIT diploma or some shady donation college degree you came via a body shopper. You made a choice in life fully knowing what you are doing. Now you left your bodyshopper and want to hurt him and feel happy for the rule because you do not want others like you to come to US of A via bodyshoppers.
You know why? Because you do not want other Indians to come behind you and compete with you for jobs.
Learn to live and let live. Din't they teach you in India as an Indian value. Good luck with your greencard.
Let me enjoy on potential demise of Body shopper including my ex employer. I am ready
Wow so ungrateful.
You make hole in the same vessel you eat.
You came to this country only because of a desi bodyshopper. Otherwise with your qualifications you cannot even dream of coming to USA on your own.
Unless you are IIT or IIM.. or some top engineering college, it is highly difficult for someone to come to USA on H1B and take a permanent job. The other route is to come for studies.
So after coming here by showing your desperation to earn dollars with an NIIT diploma or some shady donation college degree you came via a body shopper. You made a choice in life fully knowing what you are doing. Now you left your bodyshopper and want to hurt him and feel happy for the rule because you do not want others like you to come to US of A via bodyshoppers.
You know why? Because you do not want other Indians to come behind you and compete with you for jobs.
Learn to live and let live. Din't they teach you in India as an Indian value. Good luck with your greencard.
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chanduv23
02-13 06:09 PM
friends,
you have 29 people in favor.
great! each one needs to put their time and money where their mouths (mouses) are.
i suggest: take up a collection, then go get top notch legal opinion.
until you do this, no point going forward, this is going to be a very
important step.
c'mon folks step up...get a collection plate out and open your pockets.
It is also very important that the people voting in favour are serious and will not drop out.
Lets not cajole or motivate people - let them come in by themselves and vote on this.
Those who vote on this thread, please update your profile information on IV, give your valid name, valid email id, valid phone number at the least so that you can be counted on.
CAN WE WALK THE TALK?
you have 29 people in favor.
great! each one needs to put their time and money where their mouths (mouses) are.
i suggest: take up a collection, then go get top notch legal opinion.
until you do this, no point going forward, this is going to be a very
important step.
c'mon folks step up...get a collection plate out and open your pockets.
It is also very important that the people voting in favour are serious and will not drop out.
Lets not cajole or motivate people - let them come in by themselves and vote on this.
Those who vote on this thread, please update your profile information on IV, give your valid name, valid email id, valid phone number at the least so that you can be counted on.
CAN WE WALK THE TALK?
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jhaalaa
01-13 02:49 PM
When folks transfer to a new employers using AC21 (where AC21 is otherwise valid) -
0. NOT APPLICABLE: for folks who only use the EAD for the AC21 and do not use H1 transfer.
1. OK: for folks where you work directly for the new H1 transfer sponsor.
2. DIFFICULT: When H1 transfer using AC21 is sought from a sponsor just to meet AC21 criteria, while one works as a consultant.
AC21 Beware - is specially meant for those wishing to seek AC21 from a small consulting company - because finding some big employer who would presently write a job description in the offer letter to match the criteria ("same or similar") that was advertised for the Labor certificate underlying a I-485 petition that has been pending 7 or more years back does not seem very practical.
_______________________________
In general, for folks on H1 or those planning to get one -
A. Folks who work directly for the H1 sponsors are OK.
B. With this memo, meeting 'Employee-Employer relationship' shall become tougher to prove for small and specially third party consulting company employees who work elsewhere and for an unrelated (to what is stated on the LCA petition used for the H1) client.
It does not mean that its all going to be dark for all with no hope.
Just that, keeping all necessary documentation, proof of communication of work, duties, progress, status, performance assessments, time sheets, documented business processes, projects related documentation, client-vendor communication, service agreements, etc shall become very tedious for small consulting businesses.
Best Wishes for all
0. NOT APPLICABLE: for folks who only use the EAD for the AC21 and do not use H1 transfer.
1. OK: for folks where you work directly for the new H1 transfer sponsor.
2. DIFFICULT: When H1 transfer using AC21 is sought from a sponsor just to meet AC21 criteria, while one works as a consultant.
AC21 Beware - is specially meant for those wishing to seek AC21 from a small consulting company - because finding some big employer who would presently write a job description in the offer letter to match the criteria ("same or similar") that was advertised for the Labor certificate underlying a I-485 petition that has been pending 7 or more years back does not seem very practical.
_______________________________
In general, for folks on H1 or those planning to get one -
A. Folks who work directly for the H1 sponsors are OK.
B. With this memo, meeting 'Employee-Employer relationship' shall become tougher to prove for small and specially third party consulting company employees who work elsewhere and for an unrelated (to what is stated on the LCA petition used for the H1) client.
It does not mean that its all going to be dark for all with no hope.
Just that, keeping all necessary documentation, proof of communication of work, duties, progress, status, performance assessments, time sheets, documented business processes, projects related documentation, client-vendor communication, service agreements, etc shall become very tedious for small consulting businesses.
Best Wishes for all
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PBECVictim
06-27 10:52 AM
If Dept of State finds by mid of the month all(not by country) EB3 or EB2 numbers consumed, then they may come back and say no more acceptance of particular category. But generally they don't want to do that for EB category applications, because it is difficult for them to evaluate, reason is some numbers from Family category will be transfered to EB categories.
It happened for EB2 India, in the month of July 2006 mid. All numbers for EB2 India were utilized before mid of July, but even then they didn't come back in the mid of the month. So they made it "U" in next bulletin.
Don't be panic...........
It happened for EB2 India, in the month of July 2006 mid. All numbers for EB2 India were utilized before mid of July, but even then they didn't come back in the mid of the month. So they made it "U" in next bulletin.
Don't be panic...........
engineer
07-04 09:40 AM
I have sent letter to Congressman Sensenberner (WI) about this issue.
brij523
02-13 09:12 AM
Lazycis, Some year back Rajiv did file class action lawsuit. It costed him 1/4 millions + dollars of efforts.
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
