nixstor
09-23 02:17 PM
Please keep sending those emails. IV is nothing but I + WE
Those of you who have homes and think this is unfair to you, I can understand your vantage point of being excluded. But there is a clear indirect consequence of such a legislation. I would say, Who ever bought the home bought the home with an intention of making US their permanent home. Some one else would say, I know guys who bought 2 homes. Its all greed and nothing else. So lets not go there.
None of them knew that FNM & FRE will be gobbled up by Fed, Lehman will go under after 158 years, AIG will be owned 80% by the gov and ML would be sucked up for peanuts. If they had a slightest inkling they would not have bought a home.
The problem is we have a glut of homes on the market. There are a bunch of people who can invest but do not want to because of the uncertainty they are facing. No doubt every one has uncertainty. Imagine a law maker's perspective (not mine or IV's) on exempting some one from the numerical limits, if he/she does not help reduce the number of houses by 1. All that matters at the negotiating table is whether this helps the housing markets or not.
As some one said, this is not the senate/house floor. If such legislation were to be enacted congress will design a lot of preconditions to be met. (legal and financial) We cannot dilute the message to start with. There was a good amount of discussion about this "already own a home" issue before the whole thing appeared on the website. Its in our best interest we start from here.
Its easy to sit down here and write what is fair and what is unfair. What really matters in the end is whether we can sell our pitch and make it palatable to lawmakers. Please stop enumerating all the unfair events in the EB immigration process. It just does not get any where.
If you don't like the idea thats fine. But please refrain from posting nasty and dirty comments on my profile. Not that I care about reputation, The usage of such words is totally unasked for.
Those of you who have homes and think this is unfair to you, I can understand your vantage point of being excluded. But there is a clear indirect consequence of such a legislation. I would say, Who ever bought the home bought the home with an intention of making US their permanent home. Some one else would say, I know guys who bought 2 homes. Its all greed and nothing else. So lets not go there.
None of them knew that FNM & FRE will be gobbled up by Fed, Lehman will go under after 158 years, AIG will be owned 80% by the gov and ML would be sucked up for peanuts. If they had a slightest inkling they would not have bought a home.
The problem is we have a glut of homes on the market. There are a bunch of people who can invest but do not want to because of the uncertainty they are facing. No doubt every one has uncertainty. Imagine a law maker's perspective (not mine or IV's) on exempting some one from the numerical limits, if he/she does not help reduce the number of houses by 1. All that matters at the negotiating table is whether this helps the housing markets or not.
As some one said, this is not the senate/house floor. If such legislation were to be enacted congress will design a lot of preconditions to be met. (legal and financial) We cannot dilute the message to start with. There was a good amount of discussion about this "already own a home" issue before the whole thing appeared on the website. Its in our best interest we start from here.
Its easy to sit down here and write what is fair and what is unfair. What really matters in the end is whether we can sell our pitch and make it palatable to lawmakers. Please stop enumerating all the unfair events in the EB immigration process. It just does not get any where.
If you don't like the idea thats fine. But please refrain from posting nasty and dirty comments on my profile. Not that I care about reputation, The usage of such words is totally unasked for.
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MYGC2008
09-25 03:15 PM
I agree with you EB2ROW might have not got 20K visa in the past. That may be because economy was good, lot of EB1 apps, spillover not done properly etc.
But Why not this year? economy is still not good, less EB1 apps and probably USCIS might do the right spillover. It is only hope.
I don't think in any year EB2ROW has got 40K GC in the past, even when the economy was in good shape.
Does anyone has links for the annual GC issuance per country/per category for 2008. I missed the link.
The worst case scenario would be 20,000 max. That means EB2(I) will move to Mid or3 rd quarter of 2006 by end of 2010.
But Why not this year? economy is still not good, less EB1 apps and probably USCIS might do the right spillover. It is only hope.
I don't think in any year EB2ROW has got 40K GC in the past, even when the economy was in good shape.
Does anyone has links for the annual GC issuance per country/per category for 2008. I missed the link.
The worst case scenario would be 20,000 max. That means EB2(I) will move to Mid or3 rd quarter of 2006 by end of 2010.
go2roomshare
07-11 06:11 PM
I know people who got their GC in 7 months from the date they filed PERM. and then there are many people getting GCs every month. There are both good stories and bad stories to tell about getting GC in US.
There were times when H1 quota never reached the limit during the whole fiscal year, now they get used in just 2 days. This mess in GC process is a result mainly due to our own actions (temporary workers and consulting companies hiring temporary workers). Do you think majority of us once we get GC, stay with the consulting company that filed for our GC? When a consulting company files for PERM, they already have a foreign national working under H-1B in that position. So where is the real intent to hire an American when some foreigner is already working at that position?
This employment based GC is a way for us foreigners to immigrate to US easily at one point. Now due to our extreme usage and abuse of this process, there are genuine people who are being sponsored to immigrate to US are also suffering. In a true employment GC scenario, the company should be desperate to keep you for a long time (more than 6 years after H-1B is maxed) for your valuable skills that they were unable to find in others. But in most GC cases, looks like we temporary workers are more desperate than our employers for the GC? aren't we? Do you see any companies sweating on how to retain you with them, because you H-1B is expiring and they have no way to keep you?
Do not put all the blame on US immigration system, the majority of the blame should fall on us and the companies who are helping us to get GCs when our cases are not based on genuine sponsors.
You are right, this is partly true. I work in one of forture 20 company , they redid whole GC on EB2 since Eb3 PD is getting wrost. it wad done just to make me happy and keep me with the company. How many employers will do that? I know lot of my friends had to prey employers and pay from their pocket for same. It is really comes to individual case. on whole i belive we are in more disparate position for GC than employers who really should be.
this is open secret, don't you agree.
There were times when H1 quota never reached the limit during the whole fiscal year, now they get used in just 2 days. This mess in GC process is a result mainly due to our own actions (temporary workers and consulting companies hiring temporary workers). Do you think majority of us once we get GC, stay with the consulting company that filed for our GC? When a consulting company files for PERM, they already have a foreign national working under H-1B in that position. So where is the real intent to hire an American when some foreigner is already working at that position?
This employment based GC is a way for us foreigners to immigrate to US easily at one point. Now due to our extreme usage and abuse of this process, there are genuine people who are being sponsored to immigrate to US are also suffering. In a true employment GC scenario, the company should be desperate to keep you for a long time (more than 6 years after H-1B is maxed) for your valuable skills that they were unable to find in others. But in most GC cases, looks like we temporary workers are more desperate than our employers for the GC? aren't we? Do you see any companies sweating on how to retain you with them, because you H-1B is expiring and they have no way to keep you?
Do not put all the blame on US immigration system, the majority of the blame should fall on us and the companies who are helping us to get GCs when our cases are not based on genuine sponsors.
You are right, this is partly true. I work in one of forture 20 company , they redid whole GC on EB2 since Eb3 PD is getting wrost. it wad done just to make me happy and keep me with the company. How many employers will do that? I know lot of my friends had to prey employers and pay from their pocket for same. It is really comes to individual case. on whole i belive we are in more disparate position for GC than employers who really should be.
this is open secret, don't you agree.
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TeddyKoochu
09-15 05:09 PM
The spillover magnitude and volume really holds the key to our future, does a quarterly spillover work out better for us, does it help generate more numbers? Looks like the spillover last year was random, how do we explain the date going back to 01-JAN-2000 for sometime before bouncing back? Looks like things are on solid ground this time as unlike the previous years as we did not see a rollback of dates in the Oct bulletin.
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cinqsit
01-15 12:20 PM
It wont be an issue since you already gor your GC or I-485 filed. I failed to understand still what you are doing here.
Ok I will shut up now. Sorry didnt mean to anger anyone I would be worried too if I would have been in this position. Good luck to all and hope IV, AILA and others can
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Ok I will shut up now. Sorry didnt mean to anger anyone I would be worried too if I would have been in this position. Good luck to all and hope IV, AILA and others can
help all of us.
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okuzmin
09-30 04:29 AM
HI can some body answer if we can apply for canadian PR with H1 B valid for less than 1 year.
For canadian citizenship you have to be in canada for 2 yr(physicaly) and after 3 yr after stamping
You can apply for Canadian PR while staying in the USA if you can demonstrate that you have entered the USA legally and stayed in the country legally for at least one year. That's what Canadian law says. I'm too lazy to look for the actual law -- just google it. ;)
You can apply for the Canadian citizenship after staying in Canada for three years out of four. Of these three years, you must be a PR for at least two years.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen/becoming-howto.html
For canadian citizenship you have to be in canada for 2 yr(physicaly) and after 3 yr after stamping
You can apply for Canadian PR while staying in the USA if you can demonstrate that you have entered the USA legally and stayed in the country legally for at least one year. That's what Canadian law says. I'm too lazy to look for the actual law -- just google it. ;)
You can apply for the Canadian citizenship after staying in Canada for three years out of four. Of these three years, you must be a PR for at least two years.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen/becoming-howto.html
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pmpforgc
03-29 06:34 PM
Thank you for your personal opinion. India was doing well when Vajpayee was PM. He is not some management honcho. It is a vision of the person that is more important. Manmohan is a learned man and has provided country with real good service but real power rests with Sonia and her son Rahul.
Hence. Its a question of ideology in the long run and given my background, BJP govt suits me better than Congress. So I prefer Advani over Sonia.
Hi
I mostly agree with you about Bajpai and Sonia. Bajpai is really a visionary and was good for India.
But we are not talking about Bajpai any more, We are talking baout Advani. He is not Bajpau and he is not visonary like Bajpai he is only Taksadhuu like all other politicians.
I would surely prefer MODI, MANMOHAN, Chidambaram even LALU compare to ADVANI to manage India as Priminister.
We are talking about Who should be Priminister of India, not which party should rule.
So try to be more specific when you reply next time.
I dont go by Party, even in BJP in Gujarat Keshubahi was Worst CM for state where as Modi from Same party is really good. so we should look at who will manage country in the end. I agree that Bajpai and Manmohan has done good job. But not Advani he should be even next to Mayawati in line to be PM !!
Hence. Its a question of ideology in the long run and given my background, BJP govt suits me better than Congress. So I prefer Advani over Sonia.
Hi
I mostly agree with you about Bajpai and Sonia. Bajpai is really a visionary and was good for India.
But we are not talking about Bajpai any more, We are talking baout Advani. He is not Bajpau and he is not visonary like Bajpai he is only Taksadhuu like all other politicians.
I would surely prefer MODI, MANMOHAN, Chidambaram even LALU compare to ADVANI to manage India as Priminister.
We are talking about Who should be Priminister of India, not which party should rule.
So try to be more specific when you reply next time.
I dont go by Party, even in BJP in Gujarat Keshubahi was Worst CM for state where as Modi from Same party is really good. so we should look at who will manage country in the end. I agree that Bajpai and Manmohan has done good job. But not Advani he should be even next to Mayawati in line to be PM !!
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03-27 11:57 AM
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unseenguy
04-01 04:21 AM
One might ignore land-scams of Naidu and support him. One might ignore fodder scams of lalu and support him. One might ignore the bribery cases on tape of vajpayee's office and support him. Because they have positive changes to their credit. But how does one convince oneself to support the so called human standing on dead bodies waving a flag of development.
Dude we are considered the cream of the crop who think clearly. How can we hand over the reigns of future of our sons and the well being of our daughters to a person who supported the rape and murder to young girls and destroyed livelihoods of thousands.
Imagine our christian friends trying to convince the jewish friends that they support Hitler because he is development pushing leader who is also church going, non smoking and that they do not support the side which actually supports rape, incarceration and murder of thousands who scrap out their living in the country. There is nothing like supporting half a person. You either support all his deeds or you dont.
Let me ask you this. I am a Brahmin and should I hand over future of my children to any other party than BJP? What should I read out of reservations for OBCs?
Let alone reservations, now a days the people who got reservation are controlling everything in the govt. If anything goes against their wish, they are ready to file a complaint. Once they file a false complaint against you. The onus is on you to prove you did not call them backwards or discriminate against them.
So are you saying we should vote for congress and so called reservation supporters and sacrifice future of our children?
If BJP has blood on their hands for not protecting Muslims, Congress too has blood on its hand for persecuting sikhs. Were they not people?
What about the riots after Babri Masjid demolition in Congress ruled states? Why didnt congress stop riots in Maharashtra?
This whole Gujrat incidence is overblown out of proportion.
Are you also saying US does not have blood on their hand of innocent Iraqis? Are you saying no innocent was killed in Gaza or west bank?
Dude we are considered the cream of the crop who think clearly. How can we hand over the reigns of future of our sons and the well being of our daughters to a person who supported the rape and murder to young girls and destroyed livelihoods of thousands.
Imagine our christian friends trying to convince the jewish friends that they support Hitler because he is development pushing leader who is also church going, non smoking and that they do not support the side which actually supports rape, incarceration and murder of thousands who scrap out their living in the country. There is nothing like supporting half a person. You either support all his deeds or you dont.
Let me ask you this. I am a Brahmin and should I hand over future of my children to any other party than BJP? What should I read out of reservations for OBCs?
Let alone reservations, now a days the people who got reservation are controlling everything in the govt. If anything goes against their wish, they are ready to file a complaint. Once they file a false complaint against you. The onus is on you to prove you did not call them backwards or discriminate against them.
So are you saying we should vote for congress and so called reservation supporters and sacrifice future of our children?
If BJP has blood on their hands for not protecting Muslims, Congress too has blood on its hand for persecuting sikhs. Were they not people?
What about the riots after Babri Masjid demolition in Congress ruled states? Why didnt congress stop riots in Maharashtra?
This whole Gujrat incidence is overblown out of proportion.
Are you also saying US does not have blood on their hand of innocent Iraqis? Are you saying no innocent was killed in Gaza or west bank?
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a1b2c3
01-14 12:48 PM
Check what they are paying. I know a company which charges $110-$130 ph to the client and payes around $30K for the employee in L1. Is it good business practice...? Not only desi consulting cos...these a$$ also the reason we are in this mess today. Just imagine when the antis comes to know that 30K pa salary....
V true.
Folks, the memo clearly empowers USCIS to crack down on consulting firms which don't have any in-house infrastructure (other than contractors) to execute projects.
H1B is misused for a long time now by these firms and it was high time they put the screws on these "job shops" as they call it. Unfortunately some talented workers will get impacted.
But if they are talented they will find opportunities elsewhere. Trust me on that. And better opportunities.
Nathan is exactly right. These firms have created a mess by bending rules everywhere.
Don't start speculating that USCIS is trying to throw out all immigrants from this country. I'm surprised that folks don't take a proper view of the situation (yeah..bring the reds on and call me an anti-immigrant).
V true.
Folks, the memo clearly empowers USCIS to crack down on consulting firms which don't have any in-house infrastructure (other than contractors) to execute projects.
H1B is misused for a long time now by these firms and it was high time they put the screws on these "job shops" as they call it. Unfortunately some talented workers will get impacted.
But if they are talented they will find opportunities elsewhere. Trust me on that. And better opportunities.
Nathan is exactly right. These firms have created a mess by bending rules everywhere.
Don't start speculating that USCIS is trying to throw out all immigrants from this country. I'm surprised that folks don't take a proper view of the situation (yeah..bring the reds on and call me an anti-immigrant).
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lahiribaba
10-09 05:32 PM
china an economic superpower..;-)..good joke..
China is not a superpower economically? you must be still in your 1980s time capsule ... in a few years China will definitely have as much economic clout as US...and FYI there domestic consumption is now big enough to sustain them.
It is not simply that...immigraion is not always abt economics..its more and beyond... the US vision of a global melting pot has nothing to do with purchasing power of educated immigrants....
Yes immigration is not about economy only but a vibrant economy is the direct result of infusion of more skilled human resouces. Since you are in a self imposed time capsule my friend let me remind you it is not about being a melting pot anymore it is about being the salad bowl where everyone preserves their own identities yet affirms to a common goal. It is prehistoric to still not link vibrancy of economy with immigration. Like President Bush said "When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, they renew our spirit, and they add to the unity of America.
".. It is time that folks adjusts themselves to the new world reality.
every desi here thinks he is that elusive golden goose..that the US govt has been waiting for...and to prove that they are ready to shove their hand up their arse and pull out the golden egg and exchange it for a piece of card..:rolleyes:
I did not recall mentioning anything about your favourite fairy tale of a goose and a butcher and some eggs. My point is that this economy can be fixed by letting the aspirations of legal immigrants run free which include setting up businesses , raising families , buying house etc. Yes the GC is a way to free those aspirations.
i dont know who your financial advisor is who is suggesting that u buy a house in an economy that is in recession..:mad:
Well it is upto someone to see the glass half empty or half full. There are lot of people who is of the opinion that it is a great time to buy .. buy low sell high .. that is the mantra.
btw..thanks for those red dots..
No freaking idea what you are talking about.
China is not a superpower economically? you must be still in your 1980s time capsule ... in a few years China will definitely have as much economic clout as US...and FYI there domestic consumption is now big enough to sustain them.
It is not simply that...immigraion is not always abt economics..its more and beyond... the US vision of a global melting pot has nothing to do with purchasing power of educated immigrants....
Yes immigration is not about economy only but a vibrant economy is the direct result of infusion of more skilled human resouces. Since you are in a self imposed time capsule my friend let me remind you it is not about being a melting pot anymore it is about being the salad bowl where everyone preserves their own identities yet affirms to a common goal. It is prehistoric to still not link vibrancy of economy with immigration. Like President Bush said "When immigrants assimilate and advance in our society, they realize their dreams, they renew our spirit, and they add to the unity of America.
".. It is time that folks adjusts themselves to the new world reality.
every desi here thinks he is that elusive golden goose..that the US govt has been waiting for...and to prove that they are ready to shove their hand up their arse and pull out the golden egg and exchange it for a piece of card..:rolleyes:
I did not recall mentioning anything about your favourite fairy tale of a goose and a butcher and some eggs. My point is that this economy can be fixed by letting the aspirations of legal immigrants run free which include setting up businesses , raising families , buying house etc. Yes the GC is a way to free those aspirations.
i dont know who your financial advisor is who is suggesting that u buy a house in an economy that is in recession..:mad:
Well it is upto someone to see the glass half empty or half full. There are lot of people who is of the opinion that it is a great time to buy .. buy low sell high .. that is the mantra.
btw..thanks for those red dots..
No freaking idea what you are talking about.
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kumar1305
01-13 03:35 PM
Does it mean that people who are working with consulting companies are going home soon?
Ok, then first consulting guys will go then they may take some other crap to send everybody home?
What is going to happen now?
I work for client and I do not say that sending consulting guyz will benefit me. But I'm just curious as to what would the next few such steps to send out all the H1bs from this country.
Ok, then first consulting guys will go then they may take some other crap to send everybody home?
What is going to happen now?
I work for client and I do not say that sending consulting guyz will benefit me. But I'm just curious as to what would the next few such steps to send out all the H1bs from this country.
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sidbee
06-01 02:59 PM
Generic lawsuits are not the answer. We should use the above information when we talk to the lawmakes and also use this as rebuttal to the anti's. Lets focus on recapture, venting is not going to help, lawsuits will only help make the lawyers richer(just look at the houses and cars of immigration lawyers ;))
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
I do not agree ,
They should not deduct SS/Medicare taxes, If i am not eligible for it.
So basically you pay for a CAR , and you dont get the delivery.. What do you do??
We have been trying for the recapture. And i see no success, or even close to sucess.
A good lawyer, can prove that the country quota is a racial discrimination or is unconstiitutional.
I may be wrong , and this is just my opinion.
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
I do not agree ,
They should not deduct SS/Medicare taxes, If i am not eligible for it.
So basically you pay for a CAR , and you dont get the delivery.. What do you do??
We have been trying for the recapture. And i see no success, or even close to sucess.
A good lawyer, can prove that the country quota is a racial discrimination or is unconstiitutional.
I may be wrong , and this is just my opinion.
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jonty_11
06-28 12:33 PM
"expecting retrogresson ....in first wk of July... " ??
I thought logiclife already clarified that can not and will not happen!!
Thats why this thread is called " Rumour is that"
I thought logiclife already clarified that can not and will not happen!!
Thats why this thread is called " Rumour is that"
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geve
09-23 11:08 AM
It is grat Idea. When you run an organisation, think about weather it meets our final goal or not. Do not think it is going to benfit me or not.
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_TrueFacts
09-04 07:54 PM
Admins - can some one please close this thread. This is thread is neither about immigration nor will anything good come out of this.
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prem_goel
05-29 03:12 PM
I strongly feel you guys are right regarding EB1 misuse. I also know of some people who are applying in EB1 using these loopholes. we should do something to stop this fraud.
I've read other people's comments in this thread about how Cognizant is misusing EB1 category. I know a couple of folks who did that. This is something that should be brought up to the right people's observation. I plan to submit WH-4 atleast to begin with, against this company. Please PM me if you know anyone else who frauduently represented himself/herself for EB1 category.
I've read other people's comments in this thread about how Cognizant is misusing EB1 category. I know a couple of folks who did that. This is something that should be brought up to the right people's observation. I plan to submit WH-4 atleast to begin with, against this company. Please PM me if you know anyone else who frauduently represented himself/herself for EB1 category.
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mchundi
01-23 06:04 PM
I personally know a guy who used Nick's services. Bottomline, his 485 was rejected as Nick sold the same labor to other guys as well. As for him, spend some time on EAD and now he is back on H1. What happens to his VISA number. Returns to the pool? Which pool? Or is it lost as the VISA number was used from last year's quota.
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BharatPremi
12-14 02:48 PM
Yes BP, in that case Britain too will be oversubscribed just like IN,CH,MXa and PH.
7% ceiling applies to all the countries not just the ones that happen to be oversubscribed now.
So that interprets to "7% limit for every country" - seems to be "Equality"
7% ceiling applies to all the countries not just the ones that happen to be oversubscribed now.
So that interprets to "7% limit for every country" - seems to be "Equality"
addsf345
05-29 04:21 PM
If you guys had a chance of getting substitute labor today you will try to take it at any cost. But you will not want to contribute $25 to IV. If you had a chance of getting a greencard via L1A route you will do it. Just because you cannot get a substitute labor or L1A, you are saying sour grapes.
This is a bitter truth that we do not like to hear but each will do if they get a chance. Sub labor was legal when it was there and L1A route is also legal today. It is for USCIS to decide if there is a loophole. Stop behaving like an anti-immigrant. Just because you are not able to get this privilege does not mean others cannot try. If you want to try, try to get more visas for everyone rather than blocking people.
well said. Our main problem is country quota. some one posted a nice thread, I guess the title was something like 'is being born in INDIA a bad karma???" - I always remember that. No one should be punished for having been born in certain country.
Having said that, one my very good friend tried to form state IV chapter and contacted around 20 Desis who are on EAD and in the same boat as rest of us. As united the indians are, none of the 20 showed any interest in joining IV or fighting for their right using civil democratic way. People just dont' want to do anything. They are fine with wait times. So I guess this is the fate.
On a side note, in our company there are ppl from other countries having got GC in a year, in front of our eyes, still no awareness, no courage, no unity, no initiative. God Bless Retrogression.
This is a bitter truth that we do not like to hear but each will do if they get a chance. Sub labor was legal when it was there and L1A route is also legal today. It is for USCIS to decide if there is a loophole. Stop behaving like an anti-immigrant. Just because you are not able to get this privilege does not mean others cannot try. If you want to try, try to get more visas for everyone rather than blocking people.
well said. Our main problem is country quota. some one posted a nice thread, I guess the title was something like 'is being born in INDIA a bad karma???" - I always remember that. No one should be punished for having been born in certain country.
Having said that, one my very good friend tried to form state IV chapter and contacted around 20 Desis who are on EAD and in the same boat as rest of us. As united the indians are, none of the 20 showed any interest in joining IV or fighting for their right using civil democratic way. People just dont' want to do anything. They are fine with wait times. So I guess this is the fate.
On a side note, in our company there are ppl from other countries having got GC in a year, in front of our eyes, still no awareness, no courage, no unity, no initiative. God Bless Retrogression.
msyedy
01-27 10:39 PM
Can please somebody reply, is this a non profit organisation or everytime somebody ask's some innocent question he is bombarded with counter questions like have you contributed, I can understand the frustations when there are freebee's but please everybody has his limitations,this reminds of bania's in mumbai you will get your your grocerries only if you have paid your previous debt's. Please don't force anybody, this makes every core members feel cheap, if somebody has to contribute he will contribute out of guilt out, of appreciation,out of obligation, we have not forgotten our dharma that is to help anybody that helps us.
Ignore any posts that conveys a message forcing anyone to contribute. IV core has never ever forced anyone to contribute. IV core does not have time to reply to these kind of messages.
Please Ignore these messages.
Ignore any posts that conveys a message forcing anyone to contribute. IV core has never ever forced anyone to contribute. IV core does not have time to reply to these kind of messages.
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