hiralal
06-03 06:20 PM
Where does one contribute to said lawsuit? If someone is willing to lead the effort, I'm willing to contribute a little money.
no idea ..to quote the Indian ambassador ..we are running and discussing like headless chicken .. why can't we have several small simultaneous campaigns ?? I guess it is time to take a vacation and come back to the forum after few days
no idea ..to quote the Indian ambassador ..we are running and discussing like headless chicken .. why can't we have several small simultaneous campaigns ?? I guess it is time to take a vacation and come back to the forum after few days
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vinzen
08-18 11:21 PM
This is not "Indian" thread. It is purely a North Indian thread. He is popular only in North of India.
And which part of india are you from?
And which part of india are you from?
god_bless_you
10-23 02:33 PM
Hello everyone.
I was wondering if someone could point me to how exactly labor substitution works.
Before anyone starts jumping down my throat, i am JUST looking for documentation on the full process and I DID try looking on the google.
If someone has any article on labor substitution and how it works please post it on here.
Check Immigration Portal forums Labor certification .. Preapproved LC
Labor substitution Pros Con's etc.. widely discussed there...
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=123495
I was wondering if someone could point me to how exactly labor substitution works.
Before anyone starts jumping down my throat, i am JUST looking for documentation on the full process and I DID try looking on the google.
If someone has any article on labor substitution and how it works please post it on here.
Check Immigration Portal forums Labor certification .. Preapproved LC
Labor substitution Pros Con's etc.. widely discussed there...
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=123495
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iv_only_hope
07-21 09:20 PM
Ron gotcher says dates will go back yesteryears:
"Most likely, India E2 will retrogress in October back to late 2002 or early 2003. Don't count on rapid forward movement in the future."
He says he got this from DOS.
What abt this?
PS: I am just asking not arguing.
"Most likely, India E2 will retrogress in October back to late 2002 or early 2003. Don't count on rapid forward movement in the future."
He says he got this from DOS.
What abt this?
PS: I am just asking not arguing.
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Aah_GC
08-16 12:17 AM
Yes, ofcourse he is a demon. There are hundereds of thousands of people are dying without food. Not everyone is taking the arms and killing innocent people. He is a fanatic. He deserves nothing less than death. He should be cut into pieces and should be a lesson for other terrorist.
Poverty is the reality of our subcontinent, the reason Kasab took arms was out of ignorance not due to deliberate fundamentalism, even if latter were true, it is all desperation. The thousands of hungry dying people you point out might just take up arms if they had a choice to beat poverty.
How bright were we when we were 20 year olds? I am in no way supporting Kasab, he will meet his end eventually. But we need to open our minds to the root causes of terrorism, when we do that we have an opportunity to leave our children with a better world. Cutting someone into pieces won't fetch you much, that is no different from Taliban's approach of stoning infidel women, singers and anti-shariats.
Poverty is the reality of our subcontinent, the reason Kasab took arms was out of ignorance not due to deliberate fundamentalism, even if latter were true, it is all desperation. The thousands of hungry dying people you point out might just take up arms if they had a choice to beat poverty.
How bright were we when we were 20 year olds? I am in no way supporting Kasab, he will meet his end eventually. But we need to open our minds to the root causes of terrorism, when we do that we have an opportunity to leave our children with a better world. Cutting someone into pieces won't fetch you much, that is no different from Taliban's approach of stoning infidel women, singers and anti-shariats.
PlainSpeak
01-13 04:06 PM
now i'm sure that u'r gcperm.... welcome back....
So i was right GCPerm was kicked out of this forum for being EB3 ................
Tell me something Ron . In you opinion what would freak out all the guys more and again
- If I am GCPerm
- If I am NOT GCPerm
Let me know which so that i will agree to be the opposite and then hopefully the guys will calm down or not freak out more. A whole day with the guys here on IV and i am feeling like i took care of 20 bawling, crying children for the complete time. I am not sure i can do that for another day.
Just between you and me I am not GCPerm but shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone anything or it might lead to another round of slugfest.
So i was right GCPerm was kicked out of this forum for being EB3 ................
Tell me something Ron . In you opinion what would freak out all the guys more and again
- If I am GCPerm
- If I am NOT GCPerm
Let me know which so that i will agree to be the opposite and then hopefully the guys will calm down or not freak out more. A whole day with the guys here on IV and i am feeling like i took care of 20 bawling, crying children for the complete time. I am not sure i can do that for another day.
Just between you and me I am not GCPerm but shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone anything or it might lead to another round of slugfest.
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hopefulgc
02-16 01:00 PM
Any word on the following two issues i posted:
----1----I think there is definitely someone else here better than me at leading this issue & getting people together. So if the moderators can allow members willing to step forward and help out with this, to have edit permissions on this thread, that would be help
----2---Can the moderators please modify the poll to be the following or add another poll to this thread. I don't seem to have the requisite permissions.
Q) Do you commit to participate in a class action lawsuit against USCIS
Options:
1) I am willing to commit $10-$20 needed for the initial consultation ($600-$1000)
2) Yes. I am willing to commit $500
3) Yes. I'm willing to be a plaintiff ( full name and full contact info required)
4) Yes. I'm willing to commit $500 and become a plaintiff as well
5) No. I don't think it will work
----1----I think there is definitely someone else here better than me at leading this issue & getting people together. So if the moderators can allow members willing to step forward and help out with this, to have edit permissions on this thread, that would be help
----2---Can the moderators please modify the poll to be the following or add another poll to this thread. I don't seem to have the requisite permissions.
Q) Do you commit to participate in a class action lawsuit against USCIS
Options:
1) I am willing to commit $10-$20 needed for the initial consultation ($600-$1000)
2) Yes. I am willing to commit $500
3) Yes. I'm willing to be a plaintiff ( full name and full contact info required)
4) Yes. I'm willing to commit $500 and become a plaintiff as well
5) No. I don't think it will work
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mr_aryan
05-01 04:09 PM
I'm not sure if you r a tamilian or not, but u defenitely sound like India's neighbour Pakistan who claim that their fellow muslims are killed in kashmir by indian solidiers and who also cliam that muslims have been opressed and want a seperate statehood just like the LTTE.
Lemme remind guyz like u, that LTTE has been responsible of killing Indian Prime minister along with many inncocent civilians & presidents, many prominent leaders, innocent civilians in srilanka.They have been labled as a terrosit organization.
Srilankan Government has been facing LTTE atrocites for many decades & now that they decided enough is enough & doing what they think is right for their country.
But some Tamilians like you who are born citizens of India or any other coutry blaming Srilankan Govt, by sympathising with terrorist organisation like LTTE just like any other terrorsit organisation in the world.
Probably you would'nt have supported LTTE if any of your family member has been killed for being prsent around an attack by LTTE on some leader.
So just think wisely before you post somethin though this is not the frum for such posts, just because u r a tamilian & some tamilians r killed in a war between LTTE & SL govt.
Lemme remind guyz like u, that LTTE has been responsible of killing Indian Prime minister along with many inncocent civilians & presidents, many prominent leaders, innocent civilians in srilanka.They have been labled as a terrosit organization.
Srilankan Government has been facing LTTE atrocites for many decades & now that they decided enough is enough & doing what they think is right for their country.
But some Tamilians like you who are born citizens of India or any other coutry blaming Srilankan Govt, by sympathising with terrorist organisation like LTTE just like any other terrorsit organisation in the world.
Probably you would'nt have supported LTTE if any of your family member has been killed for being prsent around an attack by LTTE on some leader.
So just think wisely before you post somethin though this is not the frum for such posts, just because u r a tamilian & some tamilians r killed in a war between LTTE & SL govt.
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Green.Tech
05-29 11:35 AM
Yes it will, unless there are more EB1I visas which could spill over to EB2I, in which case EB2I will move ahead of EB3I. But that guy has also said that the spill over may not happen because of the demand for EB1I.
Its just unbelievable that EB2I and EB3I (i.e. the persons who have PD when the numbers were calculated) will have to wait for about 19 years to get their GCs. We HAVE to do something about this.
I agree with you sledge_hammer. We have to do something about this. The easiest and most convenient thing that we can all start with is to support IV; how can IV fight for us with mere $3,200 a month? Folks, please wake up and smell the coffee; please contribute for your own cause.
Its just unbelievable that EB2I and EB3I (i.e. the persons who have PD when the numbers were calculated) will have to wait for about 19 years to get their GCs. We HAVE to do something about this.
I agree with you sledge_hammer. We have to do something about this. The easiest and most convenient thing that we can all start with is to support IV; how can IV fight for us with mere $3,200 a month? Folks, please wake up and smell the coffee; please contribute for your own cause.
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jasmin45
09-04 07:11 PM
My...
Did you guys let ChanduV23 go of the hook? :D:D:D.. I see him hanging in here..;)
May be you tried and mud didn't stick on him han?
Long weekend is ahead folks.. go easy on each other:) have a wonderful labor day...
Did you guys let ChanduV23 go of the hook? :D:D:D.. I see him hanging in here..;)
May be you tried and mud didn't stick on him han?
Long weekend is ahead folks.. go easy on each other:) have a wonderful labor day...
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lazycis
02-14 02:59 PM
Life's not simple. It's not A or B. It's usually A and B that succeeds. Like I mentioned in an earlier post going ahead with option A (lawsuit) closes option B ( meetings and negotiations).
Best approach is IV keeps option B (lobbying) open while a group that agrees option A is better continues to pursue it. There is a lot of support for this measure here. What it lacks is a convinced leadership! Once the leadership emerges and there is action on the ground, who knows, the skeptics may join too.
Totally agree. A and B are not mutually exclusive. We need to push for admin fix and in the meantime explore lawsuit possibility WITHOUT using IV name (does not mean IV members cannot participate as individuals in the lawsuit).
Best approach is IV keeps option B (lobbying) open while a group that agrees option A is better continues to pursue it. There is a lot of support for this measure here. What it lacks is a convinced leadership! Once the leadership emerges and there is action on the ground, who knows, the skeptics may join too.
Totally agree. A and B are not mutually exclusive. We need to push for admin fix and in the meantime explore lawsuit possibility WITHOUT using IV name (does not mean IV members cannot participate as individuals in the lawsuit).
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sbabunle
08-03 03:16 PM
Hello shree19772000
There is a proposal to stop labor substitution which was
put for public comments. It was like a few months ago. If they finalize it, labor substitution will be completely eliminated. But I'm not sure of the timeline of this.
babu
There is a proposal to stop labor substitution which was
put for public comments. It was like a few months ago. If they finalize it, labor substitution will be completely eliminated. But I'm not sure of the timeline of this.
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lazycis
02-13 12:03 PM
Lawsuits do work. Apparently nobody checked the links I posted on page 1 so here are a few examples:
USCIS Settlement Notices and Agreements
American Baptist Churches v. Thornburgh (ABC) Settlement Agreement
Barahona-Gomez v Ashcroft
CSS
LULAC (Newman)
Ngwanyia v Gonzalez (Asylee Adjustment Case)
Notice of Proposed Settlement Agreement and Hearing in Kaplan, Et Al. v. Chertoff, Et Al., Civil Action No. 06-5304 in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania
Notice to Persons Whose Naturalization Applications Were Denied by the Seattle, Spokane or Yakima Immigration Service
Proyecto San Pablo v INS
Ramos v Chertoff (02 C 8266, Northern District, Illinois)
Walters v Reno
Settlement Agreement Signed! Details available by clicking here. --2/9/05
IMPLEMENTATION OF NGWANYIA (ASYLEE ADJUSTMENT CASE) SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT Ngwanyia v. Gonzales, No. 02-502 (RHK) (D. Minn).
If you were granted asylum in the United States and have a pending application for adjustment of status, this settlement applies to you. Please refer to http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/NgwanyiaVGonzales.PDF In recent years immigration law had allowed only 10, 000 asylees per year to adjust their status to Lawful Permanent Residents. Under the settlement agreement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) will process an additional 31,000 asylee adjustments during the next three years. During fiscal year 2005, ending September 30, 2005, USCIS will process 8,000 of the additional 31,000, bringing the total number adjusted for the year to 18,000. USCIS will process at least 8,000 of the 31,000 during fiscal year 2006, (October 1, 2005 to September 30, 2006) with the remaining additional applications being processed in fiscal year 2007 (October 1, 2006 to September 30, 2007). The settlement also provides that asylees who have a pending application for adjustment of status may renew their employment authorization document (EAD) by requesting a multi-year EAD with a validity of up to five years. The multi-year EAD must be prepaid for the number of years requested. The cost of the multi-year EAD will be less than the cost of annual renewals by at least $20 per year. A requests for a fee waiver, if applicable, may be made pursuant to 8 C.F.R. � 103.7(c) Cost of multi-year EAD: 1 year card - $175.00 2 year card - $330.00 3 year card - $485.00
USCIS Settlement Notices and Agreements
American Baptist Churches v. Thornburgh (ABC) Settlement Agreement
Barahona-Gomez v Ashcroft
CSS
LULAC (Newman)
Ngwanyia v Gonzalez (Asylee Adjustment Case)
Notice of Proposed Settlement Agreement and Hearing in Kaplan, Et Al. v. Chertoff, Et Al., Civil Action No. 06-5304 in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania
Notice to Persons Whose Naturalization Applications Were Denied by the Seattle, Spokane or Yakima Immigration Service
Proyecto San Pablo v INS
Ramos v Chertoff (02 C 8266, Northern District, Illinois)
Walters v Reno
Settlement Agreement Signed! Details available by clicking here. --2/9/05
IMPLEMENTATION OF NGWANYIA (ASYLEE ADJUSTMENT CASE) SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT Ngwanyia v. Gonzales, No. 02-502 (RHK) (D. Minn).
If you were granted asylum in the United States and have a pending application for adjustment of status, this settlement applies to you. Please refer to http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/NgwanyiaVGonzales.PDF In recent years immigration law had allowed only 10, 000 asylees per year to adjust their status to Lawful Permanent Residents. Under the settlement agreement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) will process an additional 31,000 asylee adjustments during the next three years. During fiscal year 2005, ending September 30, 2005, USCIS will process 8,000 of the additional 31,000, bringing the total number adjusted for the year to 18,000. USCIS will process at least 8,000 of the 31,000 during fiscal year 2006, (October 1, 2005 to September 30, 2006) with the remaining additional applications being processed in fiscal year 2007 (October 1, 2006 to September 30, 2007). The settlement also provides that asylees who have a pending application for adjustment of status may renew their employment authorization document (EAD) by requesting a multi-year EAD with a validity of up to five years. The multi-year EAD must be prepaid for the number of years requested. The cost of the multi-year EAD will be less than the cost of annual renewals by at least $20 per year. A requests for a fee waiver, if applicable, may be made pursuant to 8 C.F.R. � 103.7(c) Cost of multi-year EAD: 1 year card - $175.00 2 year card - $330.00 3 year card - $485.00
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eb3_nepa
10-23 01:19 PM
Best of luck!
Guys I am NOTTT looking to subsitute my labor or anything of the sort. I just want to read through the docs to see what exactly is labor substitution all about. I mean i have read a WHOLE lot about it especially ON here and was wondering how EXACTLY this whole process works.
If anyone knows any website that explains how LC substitution works please post a link on here.
Guys I am NOTTT looking to subsitute my labor or anything of the sort. I just want to read through the docs to see what exactly is labor substitution all about. I mean i have read a WHOLE lot about it especially ON here and was wondering how EXACTLY this whole process works.
If anyone knows any website that explains how LC substitution works please post a link on here.
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07-04 11:31 AM
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someone pls tell me how to upload , i have now an .xls file of media contacts, about 931k in size.
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bestia
02-16 04:40 AM
Guys, let's straigthen one thing out. I have heard here things like "flooded the market" or "why 90% of company are people of certain nationality". Well.. It's a very natural process, and it happened, happens, and will happen, and it's normal. Look at this scenario. Not to touch any nation, I would use Krakozhia as example.
Suppose you are from Krakozhia, you are pursuing American Dream, you found clients, you secured some funds and you are ready to open up a business and do something. Now you need people, you have two places to look up: American or foreign. Looking employee in the US is extremely expensive and risky business. 4 out 5 candidates will have no clue what's written in their resumes, will not want to work for you, will chill 2-3 months until you fire them, will be doing only one thing - sending resumes for a new job with better salary. Trying to hire Americans without good HR will lead your business to the dead end.
So you will look into foreign market. Where? Are you gonna go to China/Russia/India? Where you don't speak their language? Don't know local specifics? Of course you will go to your "Krakozhia", where you know people, where you know universities, and what kinda people graduate from where. So you will build a team and bring here - start working. Here is another fact - about 80% of jobs in the US people get through references. Yes, companies prefer to hire friends of employees, because they don't have to spend resources filtering people from the street. "Are you sure he is a right guy for the job?" - that's it, the guy gets hired. So, your first team will bring their friends/relatives - all "Krakozhians". And from the business point of view - it's the best way. It's not racism, not discrimination, not invasion - just business. You are just doing what is best for your business... business doesn't have races or ethnics groups. And btw, CEO is REQUIRED BY LAW to maximize profits. If hiring foreigner will be more profitable, then you are required in front of your shareholders to do so.
Only when the company will grow large, have good HR - then the company can afford hiring everybody from everywhere. And US government knows and accepts that, and it's happened in the US history many times. 100/200 years ago there were Irish, German shops. 80 years ago there were Italian shops. Nothing horrible happened, they all eventually melted. I don't see anything wrong that there are Indian or Jewish, or Russian shops. They will eventually melt in and become regular American companies.
Suppose you are from Krakozhia, you are pursuing American Dream, you found clients, you secured some funds and you are ready to open up a business and do something. Now you need people, you have two places to look up: American or foreign. Looking employee in the US is extremely expensive and risky business. 4 out 5 candidates will have no clue what's written in their resumes, will not want to work for you, will chill 2-3 months until you fire them, will be doing only one thing - sending resumes for a new job with better salary. Trying to hire Americans without good HR will lead your business to the dead end.
So you will look into foreign market. Where? Are you gonna go to China/Russia/India? Where you don't speak their language? Don't know local specifics? Of course you will go to your "Krakozhia", where you know people, where you know universities, and what kinda people graduate from where. So you will build a team and bring here - start working. Here is another fact - about 80% of jobs in the US people get through references. Yes, companies prefer to hire friends of employees, because they don't have to spend resources filtering people from the street. "Are you sure he is a right guy for the job?" - that's it, the guy gets hired. So, your first team will bring their friends/relatives - all "Krakozhians". And from the business point of view - it's the best way. It's not racism, not discrimination, not invasion - just business. You are just doing what is best for your business... business doesn't have races or ethnics groups. And btw, CEO is REQUIRED BY LAW to maximize profits. If hiring foreigner will be more profitable, then you are required in front of your shareholders to do so.
Only when the company will grow large, have good HR - then the company can afford hiring everybody from everywhere. And US government knows and accepts that, and it's happened in the US history many times. 100/200 years ago there were Irish, German shops. 80 years ago there were Italian shops. Nothing horrible happened, they all eventually melted. I don't see anything wrong that there are Indian or Jewish, or Russian shops. They will eventually melt in and become regular American companies.
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alterego
07-26 04:56 PM
Also out of the 65K H1 visas that were available since 2003, most of the Visas were consumed by the Big Indian companies.
Remember when Congress sent letters to the Big Indian companies, there was data related to how many companies applied for how many Visas.
AFAIK it was in the range of 25k-35k per year combined by all these companies that filed H1s .
One thing to note is, they do not sponsor GCs for all the applicants.They do them very rarely for the people who are in their 5th to 6th year of H1.Could be in the range of Hundereds and not thousands comapred to the people count they have in US.
Yes, you bring up a valid point however consider these two points also:
1) They also bring a lot of people on L1 visas.
2) A lot of people come to the USA on a H1 with these Indian companies but then find employment with another US employer willing to sponsor their H1b visa and then move jobs, and transfer their H1b visa with them.
Remember when Congress sent letters to the Big Indian companies, there was data related to how many companies applied for how many Visas.
AFAIK it was in the range of 25k-35k per year combined by all these companies that filed H1s .
One thing to note is, they do not sponsor GCs for all the applicants.They do them very rarely for the people who are in their 5th to 6th year of H1.Could be in the range of Hundereds and not thousands comapred to the people count they have in US.
Yes, you bring up a valid point however consider these two points also:
1) They also bring a lot of people on L1 visas.
2) A lot of people come to the USA on a H1 with these Indian companies but then find employment with another US employer willing to sponsor their H1b visa and then move jobs, and transfer their H1b visa with them.
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bayarea07
07-21 09:29 PM
The Thing is No Matter how much we go logically, but nobodys know which direction USCIS will take.
Not that I am contradicting your logic for calculations, i completely agree with your calculations.
Not that I am contradicting your logic for calculations, i completely agree with your calculations.
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gc28262
05-31 10:17 PM
WOW... what a logic... what does Indian Govt. has to do with this money when this is taken out of my pay cheque.
When I take this money back to India I probably would end up paying some taxes on it... not sure what the logic is behind this... (again I do not undertsand the full details behind it).
I think this is a requirement from US government that countries that need a SSA agreement with US needs to have a Social Security system.
Asking our SSA and Medicare back is a good strategy which will benefit us one way or other.
1. We will have an option of claiming our money back if we decide to return.
2. US gov will be forced to come up with a solution for our eternal wait for GC as US cannot afford to lose so much money from SS and Medicare funds.
When I take this money back to India I probably would end up paying some taxes on it... not sure what the logic is behind this... (again I do not undertsand the full details behind it).
I think this is a requirement from US government that countries that need a SSA agreement with US needs to have a Social Security system.
Asking our SSA and Medicare back is a good strategy which will benefit us one way or other.
1. We will have an option of claiming our money back if we decide to return.
2. US gov will be forced to come up with a solution for our eternal wait for GC as US cannot afford to lose so much money from SS and Medicare funds.
sunny1000
12-13 05:17 PM
This problem has arisen out of a desire for the labor but not wishing to give the immigration benefits due to concerns which are not always convenient or comfortable to state.
If H1b was also a quota system, this would all be a moot discussion. Since it is not, and we have an unlimited L1 program we have this situation.
A few points are truly ridiculous. Anguilla with its 5K citizens has the same quota as India or China? How does that promote diversity. If every Anguillan applied in EB2 their quota would not get filled. Yet India has more diversity of religion, language, caste and virtually anything else you can imagine except perhaps ethnicity. Which brings me to the main point, which is it may be inconvenient, and it may be uncomfortable, but immigration has, does and perhaps for the foreseeable future will have racial undertones.
I guess with Dems in control, that H1 quota could happen soon...:)
If H1b was also a quota system, this would all be a moot discussion. Since it is not, and we have an unlimited L1 program we have this situation.
A few points are truly ridiculous. Anguilla with its 5K citizens has the same quota as India or China? How does that promote diversity. If every Anguillan applied in EB2 their quota would not get filled. Yet India has more diversity of religion, language, caste and virtually anything else you can imagine except perhaps ethnicity. Which brings me to the main point, which is it may be inconvenient, and it may be uncomfortable, but immigration has, does and perhaps for the foreseeable future will have racial undertones.
I guess with Dems in control, that H1 quota could happen soon...:)
unitednations
02-13 03:21 PM
What about paragraph 5 that I have posted up somewhere ???
Does that allow the 7% limit to be exceeded or not ?
That is why we need more supply.....Once supply is more they can go over 7%...
Originally; I had interpreted the paragraph to mean if the total visas by category i.e, total visas in eb1 are unused then a country can go over 7% limit in that category (horiziontal spillover).
However; the law is determining total as total visas for all EB categories as a whole. Therefore, there has to be unused visas from the 140,000 for a country to go over 7%.
The mystery of horizontal verus vertical was plain to see in November 2005 visa bulletin. There is no mystery about it anymore. It is plain to see for everyone. If they want to litigate it; then it is right from the horses mouth on an offical document of how it is done. I would use that note in the bulletin to litigate if you believe your position is correct; ie., horiztonal rather then vertical.
Does that allow the 7% limit to be exceeded or not ?
That is why we need more supply.....Once supply is more they can go over 7%...
Originally; I had interpreted the paragraph to mean if the total visas by category i.e, total visas in eb1 are unused then a country can go over 7% limit in that category (horiziontal spillover).
However; the law is determining total as total visas for all EB categories as a whole. Therefore, there has to be unused visas from the 140,000 for a country to go over 7%.
The mystery of horizontal verus vertical was plain to see in November 2005 visa bulletin. There is no mystery about it anymore. It is plain to see for everyone. If they want to litigate it; then it is right from the horses mouth on an offical document of how it is done. I would use that note in the bulletin to litigate if you believe your position is correct; ie., horiztonal rather then vertical.
