GCwaitforever
02-14 12:50 PM
Let us get started with legal opinion of Rajiv Khanna. I believe we have strong grounds for the class action law suit for past sins of USCIS - not utilizing full capacity of VISAs for GC processing. That is defintely operational inefficiency. But USCIS might claim that this may never happen again now that the name check requirement is waived off after 180 days.
Around 80 people voted for the law suit. I am willing to contribute $10 thru Paypal on my part. Please pitch in to make it $600 for the consultation. Then one of the folks in DC can get in touch with Rajiv.
Around 80 people voted for the law suit. I am willing to contribute $10 thru Paypal on my part. Please pitch in to make it $600 for the consultation. Then one of the folks in DC can get in touch with Rajiv.
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Marphad
04-01 12:48 PM
Calm down everyone.
The thread was posted in a seperate area we have created for such posts. As Marphad said, you cannot discuss immigration all day. IV is a platform for everyone in the community to be together. If you just talk about immigration, we may not get the number of people we need for action items. When we start action items to make calls, send faxes etc, we want people sending it in thousands and not hundreds. It hurt us last year when we had such action items and participation was thin. If we make the forums strictly to discuss immigration it will hurt us in time of need when we will desperately need massive participation. This is part of a plan in moving forward for IV and we are building a platform for immigrants to come and stay here and consider it as their home. This work is still under process and you will see its fruits when we have a big bill like CIR. There is a possibility of CIR after August and we need to be ready for it. We are hearing health care reform coming before CIR at this time. There is pressure from CHC and it will be tough to ignore.
So do not get emotional and start fighting. It is tme to be united and increase the membership of our community. We will need to burn the phone lines and jam the fax machines with our participation when the time comes.
I have deleted my post on this thread. As an administrator I represent IV and I will keep in mind not to air my personal views on politics as they can be misinterpreted as IV's views.
Thanks.
You may use your other handle on IV ;).
The thread was posted in a seperate area we have created for such posts. As Marphad said, you cannot discuss immigration all day. IV is a platform for everyone in the community to be together. If you just talk about immigration, we may not get the number of people we need for action items. When we start action items to make calls, send faxes etc, we want people sending it in thousands and not hundreds. It hurt us last year when we had such action items and participation was thin. If we make the forums strictly to discuss immigration it will hurt us in time of need when we will desperately need massive participation. This is part of a plan in moving forward for IV and we are building a platform for immigrants to come and stay here and consider it as their home. This work is still under process and you will see its fruits when we have a big bill like CIR. There is a possibility of CIR after August and we need to be ready for it. We are hearing health care reform coming before CIR at this time. There is pressure from CHC and it will be tough to ignore.
So do not get emotional and start fighting. It is tme to be united and increase the membership of our community. We will need to burn the phone lines and jam the fax machines with our participation when the time comes.
I have deleted my post on this thread. As an administrator I represent IV and I will keep in mind not to air my personal views on politics as they can be misinterpreted as IV's views.
Thanks.
You may use your other handle on IV ;).
JunRN
09-23 03:26 PM
Judiciary committee is busy talking about horses...instead of houses....maybe we should say we will buy horses instead if they give greencard...
just kiddin'
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kuhelica2000
02-15 04:33 PM
The reason we have greater supply of workforce in IT from one specific country is not because of skills or talents. Almost every IT workers from ROW and China came to the US as a foreign student after TOEFL, GMAT, GRE, internship and only then landed a job in IT. Whereas the preponderence of IT workers from India came here through L1/B1/H1 sponsorship through bodyshops. Attending school, preparing for generalized tests requires time, money and patience. This is one big factor why the supply curve is skewed.
Who is preventing people of ROW for applying H1b or Green card EB ? Employers look for availability of talent not for country of origin and anyone who competes in the global market wins. If ROW countries have less people with marketable skills or less people who want to work outside their countries,it is not the problem of Chinese or Indians. There is no logic with Employers being forced to wait for visa numbers to comply with diversity. There should be a FIFO system without any country of birth barriers. USCIS wastes more annual visa numbers due to these country caps. Lets make these guys fine tune this immigration system which is actually against the free market capitalist principles of this country.
Who is preventing people of ROW for applying H1b or Green card EB ? Employers look for availability of talent not for country of origin and anyone who competes in the global market wins. If ROW countries have less people with marketable skills or less people who want to work outside their countries,it is not the problem of Chinese or Indians. There is no logic with Employers being forced to wait for visa numbers to comply with diversity. There should be a FIFO system without any country of birth barriers. USCIS wastes more annual visa numbers due to these country caps. Lets make these guys fine tune this immigration system which is actually against the free market capitalist principles of this country.
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cr52401
10-03 07:34 AM
August 2003 is a good PD if it were EB2 and you could have stayed with your company. I heard in this forum from someone that, if the person is Masters graduate and worked in related for three years they are exempt from cap even though they applied in EB3 category. If this is true, it is good for you to stay in your current company and not try substitution. If this is not true and if I were you I would have gone for substitution.
What ever you do, do it with good terms with your current employer, so you can come back and join them and be able to use the 2003 PD, if some thing goes wrong with your substitution. If you leave the company and join something else, if you think that you cannot join them back, then it may not worth it. Again, it depends on your personal situation, if you don't have a spouse who is waiting for EAD to work, you should not be risking this.
Did yo umean if new law pass them EB3 is exempt from cap? can you give me some refrence. Also you must have master from us or other country is ok?
Thank you for your help.
What ever you do, do it with good terms with your current employer, so you can come back and join them and be able to use the 2003 PD, if some thing goes wrong with your substitution. If you leave the company and join something else, if you think that you cannot join them back, then it may not worth it. Again, it depends on your personal situation, if you don't have a spouse who is waiting for EAD to work, you should not be risking this.
Did yo umean if new law pass them EB3 is exempt from cap? can you give me some refrence. Also you must have master from us or other country is ok?
Thank you for your help.
soljabhai
12-13 04:15 PM
we, as non citizens, obviously do not have all the rights that the citizens possess. We don't know whether this rule is or is not constitutional (And as someone rightly pointed out that the expertise of a constitutional attorney is required).
However if it can be shown that certain citizens/corporations ( for example microsoft, google etc who also make efforts and lobby congress to change the law ) are unduly disadvantaged by this per country cap, then they can be plaintiff. So in a sense, we have allies in the corporate sector with tons of money (and who want to make more!) So they might be willing to support us,
if it is indeed found that the rule can be challenged.
However if it can be shown that certain citizens/corporations ( for example microsoft, google etc who also make efforts and lobby congress to change the law ) are unduly disadvantaged by this per country cap, then they can be plaintiff. So in a sense, we have allies in the corporate sector with tons of money (and who want to make more!) So they might be willing to support us,
if it is indeed found that the rule can be challenged.
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Lasantha
12-14 05:16 PM
Thanks bud. Yeah, I seem to have a "Ceiling" fetish. :D
Anyways I only did a quick scan of your rather utopian scenario. But wouldn't the following help the that situation?
1) Flow of un-used visas from ROW to OS countries
2) Increase the TOTAL EB quota
3) Exclude dependents
4) Re-capture ( If any. But I doubt there will be anything left to recapture because in your Shangri-La USCIS would have been efficient enough to use up all the visas in the previos fiscal years).
(I do detect some bitterness in your tone. I am only here to offer my view so please don't take it personally)
Lasantha,
You are fond of "Ceiling", Good. Provide me a solution with a goal not to hurt progress march of US economy in following imaginary Scenario:
Assumption 1:Whole EB Bus starts with year 2009 - no backlog for ANY
COUNRTY - USCIS does not have any kind of administrative
mess - Situation in USCIS is such that moment it find work, it
will send flower to you for keeping them busy. - US industry
exactly need 140000 skilled and highly skilled people from outside
world as within US they have shortage of exctly that number.
and it can not afford a single person less than that to keep
economy at balanced level.
Assumption 2: India can provide 35000, China can provide 50000, Britain can
provide 4000, Sweden can provide 2000, Saudi Arabia can
provide 1000, Sri Lanka can provide 4000, Thailand can provide
500, Pakistan can provide 5000, South africa can provide 5000
,Bangladesh can provide 1500 and rest 32000 from Europe
(other than Britain) and each of above country cannot provide
more labor that what is mentioned here. And other unlisted countries
do not have any skilled persons to provide (This is assumption.. DO not go after me...:))
So whole world together is ready to provide 140000 labor to US. With current laws tell me what will happen to US economy? Will US Industry be able to get all 140000?
Will you still be trumpeting "Ceiling" drum?
Anyways I only did a quick scan of your rather utopian scenario. But wouldn't the following help the that situation?
1) Flow of un-used visas from ROW to OS countries
2) Increase the TOTAL EB quota
3) Exclude dependents
4) Re-capture ( If any. But I doubt there will be anything left to recapture because in your Shangri-La USCIS would have been efficient enough to use up all the visas in the previos fiscal years).
(I do detect some bitterness in your tone. I am only here to offer my view so please don't take it personally)
Lasantha,
You are fond of "Ceiling", Good. Provide me a solution with a goal not to hurt progress march of US economy in following imaginary Scenario:
Assumption 1:Whole EB Bus starts with year 2009 - no backlog for ANY
COUNRTY - USCIS does not have any kind of administrative
mess - Situation in USCIS is such that moment it find work, it
will send flower to you for keeping them busy. - US industry
exactly need 140000 skilled and highly skilled people from outside
world as within US they have shortage of exctly that number.
and it can not afford a single person less than that to keep
economy at balanced level.
Assumption 2: India can provide 35000, China can provide 50000, Britain can
provide 4000, Sweden can provide 2000, Saudi Arabia can
provide 1000, Sri Lanka can provide 4000, Thailand can provide
500, Pakistan can provide 5000, South africa can provide 5000
,Bangladesh can provide 1500 and rest 32000 from Europe
(other than Britain) and each of above country cannot provide
more labor that what is mentioned here. And other unlisted countries
do not have any skilled persons to provide (This is assumption.. DO not go after me...:))
So whole world together is ready to provide 140000 labor to US. With current laws tell me what will happen to US economy? Will US Industry be able to get all 140000?
Will you still be trumpeting "Ceiling" drum?
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Macaca
06-27 08:02 AM
So are you saying that we could have possible retrogression effective from any day in July?
In the absence (to our knowledge) of USCIS URL, it is not possoble to say that dates can not retrogress in the middle of a month. For example, USCIS has no rule of time period between switching jobs. This means they can do whatever they feel like.
I am saying that 2007 GCs can get exhausted at any time independent of I-485s received/approved.
In the absence (to our knowledge) of USCIS URL, it is not possoble to say that dates can not retrogress in the middle of a month. For example, USCIS has no rule of time period between switching jobs. This means they can do whatever they feel like.
I am saying that 2007 GCs can get exhausted at any time independent of I-485s received/approved.
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hebbar77
05-29 07:18 PM
nothing came easy for immigrants here including europeans immigrants in early 1500's! They silenced the people to make their way!, we are standing in line!
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u.misc
01-19 11:34 AM
Dude, I don't know where you come from but you have a very thorough and deep knowledge of how to run the prostitution business. However, I am sorry to say that you know nothing about consulting business.
You call desi consulting companies whatever bad names you want, but the truth is that consulting companies are the one who:
1. Files for GC, the way you ask with no questions asked. (nothing illegal about it)
2. Helps you maintain legal status while you are on the bench ... If you are working for non-desi company and your services are not required, you get a pink slip.
3. Pay you per you skills. Contrary to general conceptions, desi consulting companies pay you appropriately (at least most of them) per the billing rate they get from client. Remember it involves cost to run you payroll like payroll taxes and salary of employees, so you can't keep 100% of billing rate.
Desi consulting companies are not always a blood sucker and desi consultants are not idiots. Infact they are may be more skilled than a IT profession working in big-shot American IT company and doing the same job for last 5 years. Consulting provides you a new job and new set of challenges and technologies to work with every now and then.
Consultants are the work force driving American IT needs.
In fact consider the consulting business like prostitution and the h1b consulting companies as no more then pimp.No matter whether my sister or I work for the same.Let me explain the business processes of two for you.
1.Client is most important in both the cases.No matter how client mistreated you , the pimp will take you to different client but will never snub the client.
2.You work at client site on odd hour.
3.It's pimp's job to keep pros under control and scare them of consequences for deserting them. H1b is one such tool and another is too restrictive contract ( 18 months etc ).
4.If your tech skill got outdated they will dump you ( regardless of contract ) . Old pros becomes "Mausi" and old consultant opens Consulting co and starts h1b hiring.
5.If you have to have latest skill and for every new engagement client will select from many resume like in pros business. Pros do make etc to be in market.
6. Pimp will not like the contract to hire clause but h1b/pros will like to have that.
7. when some one enforces law to ban the business organize protest march of pros . have you seen any protest march by pimps ? Same here , protest march by h1b consultant not by consulting co.
Try to observe the prostitution business and your profession and there is not much differences except we have illusion and they don't.
You call desi consulting companies whatever bad names you want, but the truth is that consulting companies are the one who:
1. Files for GC, the way you ask with no questions asked. (nothing illegal about it)
2. Helps you maintain legal status while you are on the bench ... If you are working for non-desi company and your services are not required, you get a pink slip.
3. Pay you per you skills. Contrary to general conceptions, desi consulting companies pay you appropriately (at least most of them) per the billing rate they get from client. Remember it involves cost to run you payroll like payroll taxes and salary of employees, so you can't keep 100% of billing rate.
Desi consulting companies are not always a blood sucker and desi consultants are not idiots. Infact they are may be more skilled than a IT profession working in big-shot American IT company and doing the same job for last 5 years. Consulting provides you a new job and new set of challenges and technologies to work with every now and then.
Consultants are the work force driving American IT needs.
In fact consider the consulting business like prostitution and the h1b consulting companies as no more then pimp.No matter whether my sister or I work for the same.Let me explain the business processes of two for you.
1.Client is most important in both the cases.No matter how client mistreated you , the pimp will take you to different client but will never snub the client.
2.You work at client site on odd hour.
3.It's pimp's job to keep pros under control and scare them of consequences for deserting them. H1b is one such tool and another is too restrictive contract ( 18 months etc ).
4.If your tech skill got outdated they will dump you ( regardless of contract ) . Old pros becomes "Mausi" and old consultant opens Consulting co and starts h1b hiring.
5.If you have to have latest skill and for every new engagement client will select from many resume like in pros business. Pros do make etc to be in market.
6. Pimp will not like the contract to hire clause but h1b/pros will like to have that.
7. when some one enforces law to ban the business organize protest march of pros . have you seen any protest march by pimps ? Same here , protest march by h1b consultant not by consulting co.
Try to observe the prostitution business and your profession and there is not much differences except we have illusion and they don't.
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dealsnet
09-04 11:43 AM
-TrueFacts have atleast four diffrent ID's.
I have got 4 red dots from his avatars.
I have my GC on my wallet, so I don't care about any other GREENS.
And right on.... Never expected such a behaviour from a noted Senior member.....
Personally I do not care if I get "Reds" or "Greens" as it is not going to give me GC for what I'm here for.....
I have got 4 red dots from his avatars.
I have my GC on my wallet, so I don't care about any other GREENS.
And right on.... Never expected such a behaviour from a noted Senior member.....
Personally I do not care if I get "Reds" or "Greens" as it is not going to give me GC for what I'm here for.....
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unseenguy
05-29 02:54 PM
No one is arguing that lot of EB1Cs do not deserve the classification, however; that is not the root cause why we are backlogged. You might get 1000more visas , you would think but at the end of the day , you will close that gateway as well. 1000 EB1 visas are not a major relief for us. And if you think that will resolve the issue, you are mistaken.
There is a political decision to backdate the country dates and hence even if you take up Eb1 issue, they will close that line as well, but those visas will not translate into more visas for us. Bureaucrats can come up with gazillion excuses as to why spillover did not happen such as "there is now demand for religious workers".
So do not deviate the focus of the community. Our purpose is to get our GC, not stop someone else from getting a GC. Thinking otherwise mean , divisive and selfish mentality! or plain jealousy. Has anyone stopped you from working for Cognizant?
We need transparency and better predictability in the whole process. Someone said Oppenheim knows more than many of us. My question is why should we trust him? Shouldent there be a system that gives clear picture to everyone?
Bottomline is we need to choose our battles! EB1 is not the battle we need to fight right now.
There is a political decision to backdate the country dates and hence even if you take up Eb1 issue, they will close that line as well, but those visas will not translate into more visas for us. Bureaucrats can come up with gazillion excuses as to why spillover did not happen such as "there is now demand for religious workers".
So do not deviate the focus of the community. Our purpose is to get our GC, not stop someone else from getting a GC. Thinking otherwise mean , divisive and selfish mentality! or plain jealousy. Has anyone stopped you from working for Cognizant?
We need transparency and better predictability in the whole process. Someone said Oppenheim knows more than many of us. My question is why should we trust him? Shouldent there be a system that gives clear picture to everyone?
Bottomline is we need to choose our battles! EB1 is not the battle we need to fight right now.
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GC08
02-14 07:28 PM
a 3-yr deadline..as I just entered my 4th year of this endless pain..
I think it should be based on how long they have paid tax (say 5 years). For example, for those who have been legally working for more thena 5 years and paid tax during the period, with labor and I140 approved, they should allow them to file I485 right away. :D
I always feel allowing illegals become legals is a huge advance for them. For legal H1Bs, the only advance of similar magnitute is giving them GC without any delay (at least within a timeframe comparable to those illegals becoming legals).
What do you think? :)
I think it should be based on how long they have paid tax (say 5 years). For example, for those who have been legally working for more thena 5 years and paid tax during the period, with labor and I140 approved, they should allow them to file I485 right away. :D
I always feel allowing illegals become legals is a huge advance for them. For legal H1Bs, the only advance of similar magnitute is giving them GC without any delay (at least within a timeframe comparable to those illegals becoming legals).
What do you think? :)
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chanduv23
02-13 10:39 AM
You are right chanduv. If ppl are not even participating in letter campaign itself what to expect abt all this lawsuit stuff.
We must learn from the Jews, Italians, Patels, the african amerifcan comunity, the anti immigrants - what unity can achieve.
We seldom see them blaming their community efforts - they are strong and America is the apt place for them because they are strong. They built the system for themselves.
We are always followers - divided - fighting among ourselves - challenging our own credibility.
I do not want to deviate the intent of this thread. let it continue - but every topic must have a reality check.
We must learn from the Jews, Italians, Patels, the african amerifcan comunity, the anti immigrants - what unity can achieve.
We seldom see them blaming their community efforts - they are strong and America is the apt place for them because they are strong. They built the system for themselves.
We are always followers - divided - fighting among ourselves - challenging our own credibility.
I do not want to deviate the intent of this thread. let it continue - but every topic must have a reality check.
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snthampi
07-30 06:53 PM
Ohh the moral police (shiv sena etc) are out, chill out dude what is decent to you is not necessarily indecent to another man and and vice versa. You enjoy the same thing if Salman Khan does it in his movie, right? Don't be a Bore for real get my drift? Or were you the Amway gut I met?
Ignore that idiot man. There are some morons who think what they believe is right.
Ignore that idiot man. There are some morons who think what they believe is right.
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Refugee_New
02-12 12:43 PM
EB2 India is screwed again. My wait continues.................
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GCOP
09-23 01:07 PM
nixstor,
I sent PM to you. Can you please consider and include that in the proposal. Thanks,
I sent PM to you. Can you please consider and include that in the proposal. Thanks,
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ronhira
01-13 04:38 PM
So i was right GCPerm was kicked out of this forum for being EB3 ................
Tell me something Ron . In you opinion what would freak out all the guys more and again
- If I am GCPerm
- If I am NOT GCPerm
Let me know which so that i will agree to be the opposite and then hopefully the guys will calm down or not freak out more. A whole day with the guys here on IV and i am feeling like i took care of 20 bawling, crying children for the complete time. I am not sure i can do that for another day.
Just between you and me I am not GCPerm but shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone anything or it might lead to another round of slugfest.
i'll not tell anyone that u'r gcperm.... ok?
btw, no one is freaked out knowing that u'r gcperm..... i guess no one cares for u....
Tell me something Ron . In you opinion what would freak out all the guys more and again
- If I am GCPerm
- If I am NOT GCPerm
Let me know which so that i will agree to be the opposite and then hopefully the guys will calm down or not freak out more. A whole day with the guys here on IV and i am feeling like i took care of 20 bawling, crying children for the complete time. I am not sure i can do that for another day.
Just between you and me I am not GCPerm but shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone anything or it might lead to another round of slugfest.
i'll not tell anyone that u'r gcperm.... ok?
btw, no one is freaked out knowing that u'r gcperm..... i guess no one cares for u....
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gc_on_demand
09-24 03:42 PM
What if EB2 ROW person has labor approved but I 140 pending . because of C person can apply for 485 but will not consume visas.
So if DOS and USCIS decides and if USCIS loose focus from approving Eb2 ROW and EB1 case for a while and technically create no demand for them leaving more spill to Eb2 india and china that can make Eb2 india C.
Don't forget that if date is current and still USCIS keep your AOS pending some how you cannot do anything..
So if DOS and USCIS decides and if USCIS loose focus from approving Eb2 ROW and EB1 case for a while and technically create no demand for them leaving more spill to Eb2 india and china that can make Eb2 india C.
Don't forget that if date is current and still USCIS keep your AOS pending some how you cannot do anything..
shreekhand
09-15 11:55 AM
vdlrao,
Are you 100% sure that the data for calendar year 2005 includes the traditional labor certifications as well ? I did not see any in the txt file given on the DoL website for FY 2005.
Remember missing those out could mean missing huge numbers, I know several who filed from Jan 01, 2005 to just before PERM came into the picture in late March 2005.
Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
Are you 100% sure that the data for calendar year 2005 includes the traditional labor certifications as well ? I did not see any in the txt file given on the DoL website for FY 2005.
Remember missing those out could mean missing huge numbers, I know several who filed from Jan 01, 2005 to just before PERM came into the picture in late March 2005.
Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
Total 720483 526522 55419 252517
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html
In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.
The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.
485Mbe4001
06-01 02:26 PM
Generic lawsuits are not the answer. We should use the above information when we talk to the lawmakes and also use this as rebuttal to the anti's. Lets focus on recapture, venting is not going to help, lawsuits will only help make the lawyers richer(just look at the houses and cars of immigration lawyers ;))
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
The only solution , to all our problems, is a LAWSUIT.
The earlier some one has the balls to do it , the better it is.
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
The only solution , to all our problems, is a LAWSUIT.
The earlier some one has the balls to do it , the better it is.
