Mount Soche
02-14 08:30 AM
Bestia,
This is bigotry. Stop using other countries (Sierra Leone or Kongo (spelled Congo FYI) as scapegoats. Obviously, your country isn't so great or you wouldn't be on this forum trying to immigrate to the U.S. Plenty of people do immigrate to the Congo and Sierra Leone FYI...I am not attacking you but it is incredibly insensitive and ridiculous to point to other countries in that way - where are you from that's so perfect?
That's an old story. The answer is: "if someone commits a crime, it doesn't give you right to commit crime".
Why not go back and say "Well, Homo Sapiens themselves 150,000 years ago migrated to Europe from Africa and exterminated native Neanderthals. So why don't we just go and exterminate Europeans today and take Europe?"
If it wouldn't be Europeans, there wouldn't be technological advanced United States and we wouldn't want immigrate here. We are not migrating to Kongo or Sierra Leone, don't we?
This is bigotry. Stop using other countries (Sierra Leone or Kongo (spelled Congo FYI) as scapegoats. Obviously, your country isn't so great or you wouldn't be on this forum trying to immigrate to the U.S. Plenty of people do immigrate to the Congo and Sierra Leone FYI...I am not attacking you but it is incredibly insensitive and ridiculous to point to other countries in that way - where are you from that's so perfect?
That's an old story. The answer is: "if someone commits a crime, it doesn't give you right to commit crime".
Why not go back and say "Well, Homo Sapiens themselves 150,000 years ago migrated to Europe from Africa and exterminated native Neanderthals. So why don't we just go and exterminate Europeans today and take Europe?"
If it wouldn't be Europeans, there wouldn't be technological advanced United States and we wouldn't want immigrate here. We are not migrating to Kongo or Sierra Leone, don't we?
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belmontboy
05-30 01:07 AM
Hiralal aka Zen,
Get a life dude and stop parroting housing campaign in every post of yours. You do not even have $25 in your pocket to contribute but you want to talk about financial power of immigrants.
we are listening to new ideas/suggestions by all members, you don't have to be acrimonious in your response.
Please learn to tolerate others. Everybody deserves a fair chance to be heard.
Get a life dude and stop parroting housing campaign in every post of yours. You do not even have $25 in your pocket to contribute but you want to talk about financial power of immigrants.
we are listening to new ideas/suggestions by all members, you don't have to be acrimonious in your response.
Please learn to tolerate others. Everybody deserves a fair chance to be heard.
skrish
09-25 11:48 AM
The logic is that you are 'putting down roots' by buying a house. If all it takes is proof of closing a mortgage, one could always turn around and sell the house. somethng like that would undermine the credibility of IV in the medium/long run.
I had initially advocated treating first time home buying as the same as marriage to an American citizen. In my opinion, that is a short,sweet,simple and sensible approach to follow that will also resonate/stick in lawmakers minds (rather than a long,rambling letter, no offense meant to the writers, it was quite well put together).
I had initially advocated treating first time home buying as the same as marriage to an American citizen. In my opinion, that is a short,sweet,simple and sensible approach to follow that will also resonate/stick in lawmakers minds (rather than a long,rambling letter, no offense meant to the writers, it was quite well put together).
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snram4
01-17 10:14 AM
Even if it is ok to fight how much resource IV have it to fight multiple issues. Resource means not just money but also time, manpower and effort. Most of the issues can be resolved if EB reform is done as people need not renew H1b as most can get GC within 3 years. Law clearly tells that there should be valid job position for H1b at the time of filing. For consulting bodyshoppers will bring persons here and search for job. That is clearly violation of law.
But certainly it can be requested to USCIS to change if geneunie persons are impacted. If memorendum is violation of law then USCIS will face lawsuit and you can also do that
There is no such requirement for fresh H1B as well as renewal as per Law. That is why we call it an ILLEGAL memo. We all need to fight this together.
NB: I am not a specialist in law
But certainly it can be requested to USCIS to change if geneunie persons are impacted. If memorendum is violation of law then USCIS will face lawsuit and you can also do that
There is no such requirement for fresh H1B as well as renewal as per Law. That is why we call it an ILLEGAL memo. We all need to fight this together.
NB: I am not a specialist in law
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pd_recapturing
03-14 09:27 AM
Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?
Thanks
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Roger Binny
08-15 08:35 AM
Try detaining any of their top Hollywood Heroes at an Indian airport for 2 hours and see how USA media and people will react to it.
You people have no respect for your own motherland and always think everything American is good than your own country. Learn to stand up for your motherland. Just because you want your greencard does not mean you forget your roots. Anti-Immigrants (read racists) of this country will still call you slumdogs even if you are a citizen of this country. But your own country people will never forget you and will accept you as their own even if you have lived here for 50 years.
Learn to love your motherland.
Excellent reply.
You people have no respect for your own motherland and always think everything American is good than your own country. Learn to stand up for your motherland. Just because you want your greencard does not mean you forget your roots. Anti-Immigrants (read racists) of this country will still call you slumdogs even if you are a citizen of this country. But your own country people will never forget you and will accept you as their own even if you have lived here for 50 years.
Learn to love your motherland.
Excellent reply.
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senthil1
03-18 11:15 AM
You are using labor substitution and also trying to use Part time work done by you in the college. Think yourself it is correct or not. I am sure it is the mistake of company. Many people in the forum are having 10 years of experience but waiting so long. So the the frustration is acceptable.
Labor substitution is not correct and injustice to those who are waiting for long time even if it is not sold. Legally it may be correct but this practice must be abolished. Only less than 10% of labor substitutions are genueine and others are causing delays to those who are waiting long time.Companies especially consulting companies are using every loophole in the immigration to make money. For example when there is no H1b they are bringing by L1 eventhough that position is not eligible for L1. Actually american system is Law to monitor companies and indivdual are so liberal and expected to follow Ethics. But nowadays in immigration they are trying to find every loophole in the immigration to increase the revenues of Company.
Mr. Janak,
Do you understand English? First of all, i had mentioned, i am BEING offered, meaning i havent gone for the labor yet and even if i do there will be no buying or selling involved.
Second of all, i am sick and tired of stereotype Indians like you, who ASSUME everything without knowing anything and come out with your own theories from the bizzarro world [i know, pathetic loosers like to vent at any and every opportunities they get. Spare me your crap, if u dont know anything and cant help, then just stay quiet.]
Labor substitution is not correct and injustice to those who are waiting for long time even if it is not sold. Legally it may be correct but this practice must be abolished. Only less than 10% of labor substitutions are genueine and others are causing delays to those who are waiting long time.Companies especially consulting companies are using every loophole in the immigration to make money. For example when there is no H1b they are bringing by L1 eventhough that position is not eligible for L1. Actually american system is Law to monitor companies and indivdual are so liberal and expected to follow Ethics. But nowadays in immigration they are trying to find every loophole in the immigration to increase the revenues of Company.
Mr. Janak,
Do you understand English? First of all, i had mentioned, i am BEING offered, meaning i havent gone for the labor yet and even if i do there will be no buying or selling involved.
Second of all, i am sick and tired of stereotype Indians like you, who ASSUME everything without knowing anything and come out with your own theories from the bizzarro world [i know, pathetic loosers like to vent at any and every opportunities they get. Spare me your crap, if u dont know anything and cant help, then just stay quiet.]
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dan19
08-30 04:58 PM
I am doing my Canadian Immigration myself.
It is fairly a simple and straightforward process. So my advice is "Do it yourself". Immigration lawyers do normally charge more that $1000 and make mistakes.
Since it takes around 1.5 years for the entire process to complete, send the application as soon as possible. Dont wait for gathering all the document! That will ensure that you get a early priority date. If more documents are needed, they will ask you. (Most people sent English Proficiency and Police Certificates after submitting the application, though they are required to be part of the initial application)
I can describe the procedure:
1. Calculate your points based on the information on Canada Immigration website. If it is more that 67, you are good.
2. To prove English proficiency, take IELTS test. You need to register for the test as soon as possible since some centers are always full. (Some of my friends who studied in USA skipped IELTS - rather they wrote a letter stating that they are proficient in English as they studied/worked in USA)
3. Make sure you have the required funds. It's around $13,000 for a 2 member family. (Again check the Canadian Immigration website for accurate info)
4. Get experience letters if you are claiming experience.
5. Get Birth Certificates and Police Certificates. If you are an Indian, the link you need to look for is http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/misc_guide.asp
6. Though they do ask you to send US FBI Police Certificates, do it later. (They will ask you for updated FBI Police Certificates evenif you submit it earlier)
7. Fill the forms, attach the documents and send it!!!!
Visit http://www.canada-city.ca/canada-immigration/ or
http://www.immigration.ca/discussion/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4 for further discussions.
Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks
It is fairly a simple and straightforward process. So my advice is "Do it yourself". Immigration lawyers do normally charge more that $1000 and make mistakes.
Since it takes around 1.5 years for the entire process to complete, send the application as soon as possible. Dont wait for gathering all the document! That will ensure that you get a early priority date. If more documents are needed, they will ask you. (Most people sent English Proficiency and Police Certificates after submitting the application, though they are required to be part of the initial application)
I can describe the procedure:
1. Calculate your points based on the information on Canada Immigration website. If it is more that 67, you are good.
2. To prove English proficiency, take IELTS test. You need to register for the test as soon as possible since some centers are always full. (Some of my friends who studied in USA skipped IELTS - rather they wrote a letter stating that they are proficient in English as they studied/worked in USA)
3. Make sure you have the required funds. It's around $13,000 for a 2 member family. (Again check the Canadian Immigration website for accurate info)
4. Get experience letters if you are claiming experience.
5. Get Birth Certificates and Police Certificates. If you are an Indian, the link you need to look for is http://www.indianembassy.org/newsite/misc_guide.asp
6. Though they do ask you to send US FBI Police Certificates, do it later. (They will ask you for updated FBI Police Certificates evenif you submit it earlier)
7. Fill the forms, attach the documents and send it!!!!
Visit http://www.canada-city.ca/canada-immigration/ or
http://www.immigration.ca/discussion/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=4 for further discussions.
Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks
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eb2_mumbai
09-25 01:27 PM
I did a quick DB search and here are my findings for 2005 & 2006 PERM data
2005 case status -certified = 6133
Prevailing wage level - level II = 2212
2006 case status certified 79782
Prevailing wage level - level II = 32283
2005 case status -certified = 6133
Prevailing wage level - level II = 2212
2006 case status certified 79782
Prevailing wage level - level II = 32283
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Roger Binny
05-28 11:46 PM
Problem is with out any attorney's support or making a case for them they cannot file it, stupid creativity by legal folks and these sweat shop clowns.
Same thing happened with labor substitution, these clowns sold their labor certifications to just came in tards for a premium, and they got their GC's.
Fr****ekkkkkin loop holes.
Same thing happened with labor substitution, these clowns sold their labor certifications to just came in tards for a premium, and they got their GC's.
Fr****ekkkkkin loop holes.
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Legal
07-21 10:55 PM
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/LPR_FR_2007.pdf
(AC21). This Act resulted in the recapture of 130,107 unused employment-based visa numbers from 1999 and 2000 to be made available to first, second, and third preference employment-based immigrants once the annual limit had been reached. Approximately 94,000 of those recaptured visa numbers were used in 2005, none were used in 2006, and 7,312 were used in 2007
(AC21). This Act resulted in the recapture of 130,107 unused employment-based visa numbers from 1999 and 2000 to be made available to first, second, and third preference employment-based immigrants once the annual limit had been reached. Approximately 94,000 of those recaptured visa numbers were used in 2005, none were used in 2006, and 7,312 were used in 2007
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GCwaitforever
01-23 05:34 PM
If there is a need for companies to save money by going for substituted labor, then maybe the DOL and USCIS should work out to make the priority date of substitution case same as the 140 date and not the labor filing date.
I am not sure of validity of substitution labor at all. When the original labor petition was applied, they could not find suitable candidates and hence they had to approve the labor. Fine. What about at the time of labor substitution? They ought to check the labor market again for a suitable candidate and only after confirming that there are not any candidates, the substitution labor should be approved with priority date of the substitution labor filing, not the original priority date. This will make labor substitution difficult for Desi companies and keeps it fair for everybody - immigrants, local candidates.
I am not sure of validity of substitution labor at all. When the original labor petition was applied, they could not find suitable candidates and hence they had to approve the labor. Fine. What about at the time of labor substitution? They ought to check the labor market again for a suitable candidate and only after confirming that there are not any candidates, the substitution labor should be approved with priority date of the substitution labor filing, not the original priority date. This will make labor substitution difficult for Desi companies and keeps it fair for everybody - immigrants, local candidates.
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akred
02-15 07:26 PM
My point is that the immigration laws of the United States were racist until the 1952 INA act. They specifically placed quotas on people based on the color of their skin. Today's restrictions, while bizarre, unreasonable and unfair in many ways, cannot be defined as racist.
Sure it is. Check the UN definition.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/d_icerd.htm
...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
Sure it is. Check the UN definition.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/d_icerd.htm
...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
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alisa
07-04 10:57 AM
I am sick and tired of cookie cutter responses from lawmakers staff. They have a standard template, that starts off with how concerned they are that the immigration system is broken, and their concern for American companies and workers and H-1b.
Enough of that freaking rubbish....
Lets send them letters, and specifically ask them
a) Do you condemn USCIS/DOS behavior, or do you commend it?
b) Do you sympathise with the plight of the employment based greencard applicants or not?
Finally, say that their response will be posted on online public forums so that it can be shared with other employment based greencard applicants.
Enough of that freaking rubbish....
Lets send them letters, and specifically ask them
a) Do you condemn USCIS/DOS behavior, or do you commend it?
b) Do you sympathise with the plight of the employment based greencard applicants or not?
Finally, say that their response will be posted on online public forums so that it can be shared with other employment based greencard applicants.
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eastindia
10-15 03:42 PM
proengineer why did you create a new profile to post this?
Why are you marketing a lawyer?
Why are you marketing a lawyer?
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poorslumdog
09-04 12:42 PM
My condolence to them. But I beg to differ that people dying unnecessarily is not a good sign of development.
Let their soul rest in peace.
Edited: Ooops, I think misread your post.
I really appreciate your support senthil. Guys please come forward and dont be shy about nay sayers...
Let their soul rest in peace.
Edited: Ooops, I think misread your post.
I really appreciate your support senthil. Guys please come forward and dont be shy about nay sayers...
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El_Guapo
01-14 10:19 AM
The right to control the beneficiary is different from actual control. An employer may have the right to control the beneficiary's job-related duties and yet not excercise actual control over each function performed by that beneficiary. The employer-employee relationship hinges on the right to control the beneficiary.
Don't all companies have the right to control the beneficiary? For instance, a sponsoring company has every right to determine if an employee shall be placed on a project billed at $50/hr or if they seek another project/client with a higher billing rate. Similarly, the employer has every right to determine if the employee will be placed at a client requiring a project manager or at a client requiring a developer, thus effectively controlling the beneficiary's job-related duties!
Don't all companies have the right to control the beneficiary? For instance, a sponsoring company has every right to determine if an employee shall be placed on a project billed at $50/hr or if they seek another project/client with a higher billing rate. Similarly, the employer has every right to determine if the employee will be placed at a client requiring a project manager or at a client requiring a developer, thus effectively controlling the beneficiary's job-related duties!
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ItIsNotFunny
03-27 08:59 AM
Hi All,
I currently have an EB3 March 2003 priority date labor I140 approved with my company. Recently, I wanted to move to consulting, sothat I can get my GC converted to EB2 as the dates are only 2 months apart. I have asked my company if they are willing to take me as a contractor once I am out of the company and go to a consulting company. They said that it should be fine, but they said if GC is the only purpose, they can try to do something about converting my existing labor to EB2. It's a very big fortune 500 company and they do all their labors in EB3. My question is:
1. Can I re-apply another labor in EB2 for a position that qualifies in the same company and can port the existing EB3 priority date? Has anyone done this in the past?
2. Can I use any prior priority date approved labor in the same company, even though my EB3 I140 is approved with the same company.
3. Can I move to consulting company and reapply in EB2 with existing priority date and work for the same company that has my current labor.
The company legal counsel said that they would come back to me with some answers this week, but I want to get second opinion from all of you in this regard. I have my Masters in 2000 and MBA in 2004 with 8 years experience and so EB2 qualification shouldn't be a problem
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Yes, you can move to another company with existing priority date. You still have to get LC and I-140 approved from new company but while filing 485, you can use old 140 priority date.
I currently have an EB3 March 2003 priority date labor I140 approved with my company. Recently, I wanted to move to consulting, sothat I can get my GC converted to EB2 as the dates are only 2 months apart. I have asked my company if they are willing to take me as a contractor once I am out of the company and go to a consulting company. They said that it should be fine, but they said if GC is the only purpose, they can try to do something about converting my existing labor to EB2. It's a very big fortune 500 company and they do all their labors in EB3. My question is:
1. Can I re-apply another labor in EB2 for a position that qualifies in the same company and can port the existing EB3 priority date? Has anyone done this in the past?
2. Can I use any prior priority date approved labor in the same company, even though my EB3 I140 is approved with the same company.
3. Can I move to consulting company and reapply in EB2 with existing priority date and work for the same company that has my current labor.
The company legal counsel said that they would come back to me with some answers this week, but I want to get second opinion from all of you in this regard. I have my Masters in 2000 and MBA in 2004 with 8 years experience and so EB2 qualification shouldn't be a problem
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Yes, you can move to another company with existing priority date. You still have to get LC and I-140 approved from new company but while filing 485, you can use old 140 priority date.
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jonty_11
10-04 10:54 AM
I have Applied for Canadian PR, got a receipt # back. I want to add my wife now. However, she has a shoplifting incident back in 2001 in Singapore. I know we have to provide Police Cert for Singapore nowadays.
Reading on cic.ga website, they do pardon such offenses in 5 - 10 years depending on seriosness of the offense. ANyone has concrete infomration on this? Would really help is adding my wife on to my appliaction the correct way.
Reading on cic.ga website, they do pardon such offenses in 5 - 10 years depending on seriosness of the offense. ANyone has concrete infomration on this? Would really help is adding my wife on to my appliaction the correct way.
dealsnet
09-05 02:08 PM
IV leadership is now degraded to RSS/VHP terrorist mouth piece.
Chanduv23 IS THE LEADER. So he created some fake ID'S to post these postings.
Now onwards, IV and its activities on US watchlist. They will google hindu terrorist, and will get these postings and will watch out these guys.
You are so agitated about the Christian church in AP. You are making hindu temple in USA and you visit often in Flushing,NY Mr. Vermulu.
GOOD LUCK FOR YOUR GREENCARD.
They will see your financing of these unlawful outfits.
May be YSR came to power just to lose his life. Good for him and YSR got what he deserved, even dogs do not get that death, the worst sinners get it.
Andhra Jyothy Telugu News Paper Online edition published from Andhra Pradesh, India (http://www.andhrajyothy.com/latestmainshow.asp?qry=/2009/sep/5new60)
That entire family and followers like you are infested with barbaric thoughts. I hope it brings an end to his Son as well.
Why should one have sympathy on a criminal? Do you have sympathy on Kasab, Saddam, Hitler? Do you know my caste, do you know where in AP I come from?
Do you know what he did to Kotla Vijay Bhaskar Reddy, P.Janardhan Reddy. This gunda YSR was involved in large scale communal violence in Hyderabad, just to get into power by denigrating then CM Marri Chenna Reddy Reddy (Dec 1990) and was upset when Nedurumalli Janardhan Reddy was made CM. More then 400 innocent people were killed who have nothing do with YSR . Caste, religion are excuses by people like you to support that barbaric YSR.
Link: Congress and the Hyderabad riots of 1990 : Black Beak blogs on sulekha, General blogs, Black Beak blog from india (http://black-beak.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/12/congress-and-the-hyderabad-riots-of-1990.htm)
YSR a mass murderer beyond redemption
Being a Christian CM, why is he involved in TTD activities?
Y.S.R used his position to bring Christian institutions into the decision making loop of the TTD. There was a huge surge of churches along the roads leading to the holy shrine and a recent auction of Hindu temple land on Tirumula Hills.
Link: IntelliBriefs: Tirumala Lands to Church : Intelligence (http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2005/07/tirumala-lands-to-church-intelligence.html)
All posters and readers go through the links to see the facts yourself.
Few More:
From TOI: Democracy as mafia warfare - All That Matters - Sunday TOI - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-782107.cms)
From http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/782107.cms#top0 (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/782107.cms#top0)
Chanduv23 IS THE LEADER. So he created some fake ID'S to post these postings.
Now onwards, IV and its activities on US watchlist. They will google hindu terrorist, and will get these postings and will watch out these guys.
You are so agitated about the Christian church in AP. You are making hindu temple in USA and you visit often in Flushing,NY Mr. Vermulu.
GOOD LUCK FOR YOUR GREENCARD.
They will see your financing of these unlawful outfits.
May be YSR came to power just to lose his life. Good for him and YSR got what he deserved, even dogs do not get that death, the worst sinners get it.
Andhra Jyothy Telugu News Paper Online edition published from Andhra Pradesh, India (http://www.andhrajyothy.com/latestmainshow.asp?qry=/2009/sep/5new60)
That entire family and followers like you are infested with barbaric thoughts. I hope it brings an end to his Son as well.
Why should one have sympathy on a criminal? Do you have sympathy on Kasab, Saddam, Hitler? Do you know my caste, do you know where in AP I come from?
Do you know what he did to Kotla Vijay Bhaskar Reddy, P.Janardhan Reddy. This gunda YSR was involved in large scale communal violence in Hyderabad, just to get into power by denigrating then CM Marri Chenna Reddy Reddy (Dec 1990) and was upset when Nedurumalli Janardhan Reddy was made CM. More then 400 innocent people were killed who have nothing do with YSR . Caste, religion are excuses by people like you to support that barbaric YSR.
Link: Congress and the Hyderabad riots of 1990 : Black Beak blogs on sulekha, General blogs, Black Beak blog from india (http://black-beak.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/12/congress-and-the-hyderabad-riots-of-1990.htm)
YSR a mass murderer beyond redemption
Being a Christian CM, why is he involved in TTD activities?
Y.S.R used his position to bring Christian institutions into the decision making loop of the TTD. There was a huge surge of churches along the roads leading to the holy shrine and a recent auction of Hindu temple land on Tirumula Hills.
Link: IntelliBriefs: Tirumala Lands to Church : Intelligence (http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2005/07/tirumala-lands-to-church-intelligence.html)
All posters and readers go through the links to see the facts yourself.
Few More:
From TOI: Democracy as mafia warfare - All That Matters - Sunday TOI - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-782107.cms)
From http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/782107.cms#top0 (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/782107.cms#top0)
arnab221
06-11 04:13 AM
At least Mr Oppenheimer has told the truth that it is curtains for EB2 and EB3 India and China and brought all the hopefuls to the ground . Passing CIR is a distant dream.
Thank you Mr Oppenheimer ! At least you had the guys to spell out the bitter truth , so that we could plan accordingly and plan our return .
Thank you Mr Oppenheimer ! At least you had the guys to spell out the bitter truth , so that we could plan accordingly and plan our return .
