Aah_GC
08-16 12:04 AM
Can we let him go then...? is there any guarantee they will not recruit more and massacre more? If its Israel already mosat would have taken the preparators. If its US, Pak would have been reduced to rubble.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
US knows that Pakistan is the mother of Terrorism, doesn't look like with all the aid flowing in, that it is being reduced to rubble. Terrorism is a deeper debate, and it borders on uneven economics, social structures, global imbalance to name a few. We have quite a few terrorists in India too, just look up Sikh riots of 1984 and Gujrat riots of 2002, the culprits walk scott free. You talk about Israel, how safe is Israel? Would you settle in Israel given a chance? The same is with the US, in the pretext of 9/11 the residual racism is now emerging in these situations.
Whether we like it or not, Kasab will be hung to death. He is definitely a criminal, and it shines on our judicial system and independent media (both are screwed in their own ways) that we can tell that a terrorist hasn't been reduced to a weakling to not demand the food of his choice.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
US knows that Pakistan is the mother of Terrorism, doesn't look like with all the aid flowing in, that it is being reduced to rubble. Terrorism is a deeper debate, and it borders on uneven economics, social structures, global imbalance to name a few. We have quite a few terrorists in India too, just look up Sikh riots of 1984 and Gujrat riots of 2002, the culprits walk scott free. You talk about Israel, how safe is Israel? Would you settle in Israel given a chance? The same is with the US, in the pretext of 9/11 the residual racism is now emerging in these situations.
Whether we like it or not, Kasab will be hung to death. He is definitely a criminal, and it shines on our judicial system and independent media (both are screwed in their own ways) that we can tell that a terrorist hasn't been reduced to a weakling to not demand the food of his choice.
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zbd
10-18 11:36 PM
I'm not looking for a citizenship but I gotto live here and almost getting Canada PR. If this is the case, anyway I'll lose the PR 5 years later since I couldn't stand there 2 years long in 5 years.
Please advise.
Please advise.
user1205
02-12 02:55 PM
I doubt it. I think we'll start seeing the results of that rule in the next couple of months and then it will maybe get retrogressed.
Does this mean they have accounted for the people who will claer the name check hurdle after the recent memo? I was expecting EB2 ROW to retrogress based on that.
Does this mean they have accounted for the people who will claer the name check hurdle after the recent memo? I was expecting EB2 ROW to retrogress based on that.
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GC_sufferer
07-03 09:27 PM
We should ask Congress to postpone the July 30th fee increase while it studies how USCIS can function year round with the same efficiency that it showed in the last two weeks of June.
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08-30 11:14 AM
Once you get ur Canadian PR, how long can we "not go" to canada. Will the PR expire if we do not land in canada??
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poorslumdog
09-04 12:23 PM
These people are Christians ??
Any figures available like how many Hindus, Muslims die???
If other caste people are dead, it means it is crazy to die for a Christian terrorist !!!!
according to -TrueFacts and his avatars.
His postings have only one agenda. He is a religious fanatic. Nothing to do with corruption. PERIOD.
you must be a educated idiot to think like this. Yesterday 1200 people died in heart attack in India and more than 15000 across the world. You mean all are because of YSR. Use your pea nut size brain man.
Any figures available like how many Hindus, Muslims die???
If other caste people are dead, it means it is crazy to die for a Christian terrorist !!!!
according to -TrueFacts and his avatars.
His postings have only one agenda. He is a religious fanatic. Nothing to do with corruption. PERIOD.
you must be a educated idiot to think like this. Yesterday 1200 people died in heart attack in India and more than 15000 across the world. You mean all are because of YSR. Use your pea nut size brain man.
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addsf345
05-29 05:21 PM
We need to fix the problem of too few visa numbers available to I/C. If the waits in EB2/3 are not long, there is no reason there will be any significant abuse of EB1 visas. You are targetting the a mosquito and ignoring the elephant in the room.
Gaurav, you are right on the it. I am not saying ignore or accept, but spend your efforts there where you can get maximum return.
like creating new quota for PHD/Masters, Visa Recapture, removing country limit from skilled EB immigration and NOT counting family members/dependents in yearly limit. If we can get even one of above done, it would give the best mileage as compared to go all after EB-1 abuse. You surely can write to CIS/Ombudsman/whoever but support IV for above efforts.
Gaurav, you are right on the it. I am not saying ignore or accept, but spend your efforts there where you can get maximum return.
like creating new quota for PHD/Masters, Visa Recapture, removing country limit from skilled EB immigration and NOT counting family members/dependents in yearly limit. If we can get even one of above done, it would give the best mileage as compared to go all after EB-1 abuse. You surely can write to CIS/Ombudsman/whoever but support IV for above efforts.
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seahawks
10-04 09:24 AM
as far as I don't agree about the system where people who come in after us get their GC through labor substitution, and the system is being abused. I wish they would count years of stay in America, rather than anything else:)
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at0474
12-14 05:06 PM
I find it abominable that there are still some humans(?) left in this century who want special benefits based on their race and country-of-origin in this 21st century !
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
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maximus777
06-15 12:13 PM
The original post is fine only in parts but most of it is totally crap. He says his living standard has gone down because of L1s and H1bs and herds people coming from india, Dude you need to understand that this recession has not been caused by H1b and L1s or other IT workers coming to US, its because of the real estate boom and foolishness of american people who believed that real estate prices will keep on rising to INFINITY.. i don't have to explain how this recession started i hope majority of the people knows about it.. so stop blaming IT workforce for your living standard.. another example.. just seen what happened to GM and chrysler.. they failed to understand the market for small cars and fuel efficient cars.. instead they produced gas guzzlers like hummers.. so do you think they have the brightest minds. We are in this deep shit because of the situations created by americans for themselves and now they want to blame it on legal immigrants for there wrong decisions..
I believe in destiny or lucky whatever they call it.. its not always that brightest get their GC. I wished i was that bright and intelligent person to predict July 07 fiasco but unfortunately i quit my company in Mar 07.. and i know some people who used subsititued labor in July 07 have their EADs with them. Don't think just by getting a GC or citizenship will certify that your the brightest of all still waiting in the GC queue. I am not sure how many people believe in luck... but i do. I don't matter how bright you are and how hard you work you need some luck also..
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Amen to that.
I believe in destiny or lucky whatever they call it.. its not always that brightest get their GC. I wished i was that bright and intelligent person to predict July 07 fiasco but unfortunately i quit my company in Mar 07.. and i know some people who used subsititued labor in July 07 have their EADs with them. Don't think just by getting a GC or citizenship will certify that your the brightest of all still waiting in the GC queue. I am not sure how many people believe in luck... but i do. I don't matter how bright you are and how hard you work you need some luck also..
Thanks
Amen to that.
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Rohan99
07-27 12:40 PM
Devil's advocate - Immi_enthu
Yes, you are right you will have good life but not in Florida may be in Guantanamo Bay detention camp becasue you are on H1 and doing Amway which is illegal. USCIS is going to check your name in Amway database before giving you Green Card and then detain you. It will be good life for you becasue you will get free food (you do not have to earn) and view of Guantanmo Bay with cuban cigar..wht else can you expect ...I envy your life
We guys (non-amway) will be slogging for bread and butter but we like our freedom and travel to Hawaii in economy class and stay at Motel 6.
your response?
we dont need to work after 40 we will move to Florida with all the money we make , stop stalking people , stop working just enjoy everyday on the beach and big mansion bought from the savings from the regular job and live off of free $xxxx/month earnings we make out of Amway/Quixtar . Where as you guys will be slogging in 40's and 50's
Yes, you are right you will have good life but not in Florida may be in Guantanamo Bay detention camp becasue you are on H1 and doing Amway which is illegal. USCIS is going to check your name in Amway database before giving you Green Card and then detain you. It will be good life for you becasue you will get free food (you do not have to earn) and view of Guantanmo Bay with cuban cigar..wht else can you expect ...I envy your life
We guys (non-amway) will be slogging for bread and butter but we like our freedom and travel to Hawaii in economy class and stay at Motel 6.
your response?
we dont need to work after 40 we will move to Florida with all the money we make , stop stalking people , stop working just enjoy everyday on the beach and big mansion bought from the savings from the regular job and live off of free $xxxx/month earnings we make out of Amway/Quixtar . Where as you guys will be slogging in 40's and 50's
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unitednations
02-18 05:19 PM
You are theorizing based on circumstantial evidence, but the history and origin of the country quota does not support your conclusion. The fact that the DOL and UCCIS would not be able to keep abreast of illegal behavior is not something that would have been known at the time the country quota was introduced.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
Brother; I am also an immigrant. At high levels; I think there should be no quota on employment base.
The purpose of EB is supposed to be to match an employer with a foreign worker because there is no willing and able American to do the job. Either a company needs a foreigner or they don't. They can't wait for years upon years because of a quota system. I look at sports as an example. In sports there is no quota that only a certain amount of foreigners can play baseball, football, etc. However, other sports leagues around the world (canadian football, european hockey, japanese baseball) have an import quota. However, the best sports leagues are right here in American because they want the best players. American soccer hasn't taken off because the best players aren't here; they are in europe.
Any reasonable American, politician would agree that if an american can't be found then they should be able to hire the foreigner with the least amount of interruption in their business. At high level and without any prejudice people would come to this conclusion.
However; we need to understand why is there a quota first of all; and then second why is there a country quota. I've almost come to the conclusion that EB immigration is just an accomodation to get a certain number of people into USA. If it truly was to attract the best/brightest then immigration would be much different. It looks like the answer is easy in my mind; no quota of any sort.
When talking to politicians, newspapers; maybe one would lose credibility when they would say there shouldn't be a quota. However, how do you come up with a quota of 300,000 verus 200,000 or 500,000. I don't know how one would talk to a politician and tell them to increase the quota and then come up with a number and then explain why it should be that number. A company either needs you or they don't; plain and simple.
I talk to a lot of people and a lot of different attornies and get involved in all sorts of discussions. There is a thread today asking that a person has gotten greencard but is married to a lady in India. She has a three year B.Sc and 3 years of experience and they want to know if she can come here on H-1b. Reason why this is being asked is because if the greencard holder sponsors her then it will take five years. So what is the easy way; bring her here on H-1b and then go the employment route. I can't even begin to tell you how many times this situation has come up off-line where a person got greencard real fast but never thought of the marriage angle and then they try to go this route.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
Brother; I am also an immigrant. At high levels; I think there should be no quota on employment base.
The purpose of EB is supposed to be to match an employer with a foreign worker because there is no willing and able American to do the job. Either a company needs a foreigner or they don't. They can't wait for years upon years because of a quota system. I look at sports as an example. In sports there is no quota that only a certain amount of foreigners can play baseball, football, etc. However, other sports leagues around the world (canadian football, european hockey, japanese baseball) have an import quota. However, the best sports leagues are right here in American because they want the best players. American soccer hasn't taken off because the best players aren't here; they are in europe.
Any reasonable American, politician would agree that if an american can't be found then they should be able to hire the foreigner with the least amount of interruption in their business. At high level and without any prejudice people would come to this conclusion.
However; we need to understand why is there a quota first of all; and then second why is there a country quota. I've almost come to the conclusion that EB immigration is just an accomodation to get a certain number of people into USA. If it truly was to attract the best/brightest then immigration would be much different. It looks like the answer is easy in my mind; no quota of any sort.
When talking to politicians, newspapers; maybe one would lose credibility when they would say there shouldn't be a quota. However, how do you come up with a quota of 300,000 verus 200,000 or 500,000. I don't know how one would talk to a politician and tell them to increase the quota and then come up with a number and then explain why it should be that number. A company either needs you or they don't; plain and simple.
I talk to a lot of people and a lot of different attornies and get involved in all sorts of discussions. There is a thread today asking that a person has gotten greencard but is married to a lady in India. She has a three year B.Sc and 3 years of experience and they want to know if she can come here on H-1b. Reason why this is being asked is because if the greencard holder sponsors her then it will take five years. So what is the easy way; bring her here on H-1b and then go the employment route. I can't even begin to tell you how many times this situation has come up off-line where a person got greencard real fast but never thought of the marriage angle and then they try to go this route.
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ita
03-30 01:13 PM
I didn't know Lord Rama was part of BJP's manifesto this time.
You are so stuck with 90's. MMS brought economic reforms in 90's so he's reforms guy even though he didn't bring any in his current term.
LK was Lord Rama guy in 90's so he is Lord Rama guy even now.Just check BJP manifesto this time.
Santhan and the like(s)...I'm just breaking it down here...
Like I said in my previous posts religion is played heavily by MMS govt (read as Sonia...I'm sure MMS is a nice person) 4000 Missionaries came to India in last 5 years.More 4000 may come if you give them chance.Now nothing wrong with it generally speaking (except that only christian missionaries were granted visas and Jewsih groups were denied visas) but something wrong if we go by your 'I'don't care if Sankaracharya is jailed,I don't care for lord Rama guys' attitude.
Now these missionaries are setting up miracle boxes ,so far in rural areas, where poor people that drop their wishes in the box see miracles happening.Only hitch is entire family has to convert to Christianity.Yeah abuse of poverty.But there is discrimination (hoping that when you speak of poor you speak of poor of all religions)even in miracles.Some how these missionaries don't dare to mess with Muslim poor.So Muslim poor are left alone. Neither your MMS wrapped State does anything to alleviate their poverty nor these missionaries shower their miracles on them.
BTW it's not poor and Sankaracharya alone there are also other religious(for now Hindu) leaders in their list(Satya Sai Baba, Mata Amritanandamayee, Shri Shri Ravi Shanker Maharaj and many more) Now what's common in them apart from being Hindu leaders they are also immensely into helping your favorite poor people (no conversions though,you don't want to believe me just check out Mata Amritanandamayee's social service camps not for just Hindus all over the world.)
Now if a doctor doesn't get patients how will he survive?
Same way how will missionaries conduct their business if the poor and needy are helped .It's assured State won't help these poor population.Those who are helping them should go to jails so their popularity gets a dent among the masses.(not that their service stops anyways) So you MMS wrapper is facilitating all this.
I know too much stuff but our biased/bought media won't highlight these facts.Remember how A.P High court held media for setting up a 'media trial' even before anything was proved in Sankaracharya case?(nothing was proved till date but since you don't care let's not go there)
So your favorite MMS govt was busy with such things so far.
I know ignorance is bliss but know that bliss will not last long.
I am not saying MMS is the best....but better than others. Do you believe the so called Left the savior of our country. I am not bothering who is ruling or not. My only worry - what is done for our future. I strongly believe Left was the speed bump to the development of the country. Mr.Advani dont have anything but Ram Temple. I hardly see any value in that. He runs his politics based on religon and Ram temple. Let him put the plan and vision for out future, to build stronger India....I will be the first one to vote for him.
You are so stuck with 90's. MMS brought economic reforms in 90's so he's reforms guy even though he didn't bring any in his current term.
LK was Lord Rama guy in 90's so he is Lord Rama guy even now.Just check BJP manifesto this time.
Santhan and the like(s)...I'm just breaking it down here...
Like I said in my previous posts religion is played heavily by MMS govt (read as Sonia...I'm sure MMS is a nice person) 4000 Missionaries came to India in last 5 years.More 4000 may come if you give them chance.Now nothing wrong with it generally speaking (except that only christian missionaries were granted visas and Jewsih groups were denied visas) but something wrong if we go by your 'I'don't care if Sankaracharya is jailed,I don't care for lord Rama guys' attitude.
Now these missionaries are setting up miracle boxes ,so far in rural areas, where poor people that drop their wishes in the box see miracles happening.Only hitch is entire family has to convert to Christianity.Yeah abuse of poverty.But there is discrimination (hoping that when you speak of poor you speak of poor of all religions)even in miracles.Some how these missionaries don't dare to mess with Muslim poor.So Muslim poor are left alone. Neither your MMS wrapped State does anything to alleviate their poverty nor these missionaries shower their miracles on them.
BTW it's not poor and Sankaracharya alone there are also other religious(for now Hindu) leaders in their list(Satya Sai Baba, Mata Amritanandamayee, Shri Shri Ravi Shanker Maharaj and many more) Now what's common in them apart from being Hindu leaders they are also immensely into helping your favorite poor people (no conversions though,you don't want to believe me just check out Mata Amritanandamayee's social service camps not for just Hindus all over the world.)
Now if a doctor doesn't get patients how will he survive?
Same way how will missionaries conduct their business if the poor and needy are helped .It's assured State won't help these poor population.Those who are helping them should go to jails so their popularity gets a dent among the masses.(not that their service stops anyways) So you MMS wrapper is facilitating all this.
I know too much stuff but our biased/bought media won't highlight these facts.Remember how A.P High court held media for setting up a 'media trial' even before anything was proved in Sankaracharya case?(nothing was proved till date but since you don't care let's not go there)
So your favorite MMS govt was busy with such things so far.
I know ignorance is bliss but know that bliss will not last long.
I am not saying MMS is the best....but better than others. Do you believe the so called Left the savior of our country. I am not bothering who is ruling or not. My only worry - what is done for our future. I strongly believe Left was the speed bump to the development of the country. Mr.Advani dont have anything but Ram Temple. I hardly see any value in that. He runs his politics based on religon and Ram temple. Let him put the plan and vision for out future, to build stronger India....I will be the first one to vote for him.
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gjoe
02-13 04:46 PM
I agree to a lot of your points - the community has to evolve and not be pushed. All I say is for those who talk the talk, if they walk the talk - they become a good example and the community will grow.
Please do not take this as criticism. I respect everyone's space - come on folks we can collectively do it - why do we want to resist unity? It does no damage to us but only helps us for whatever cause we want to achieve, otherwise we will always be under the radar of people like Lou Dobbs and his likes - just because we are not vocal.
I am sure, one day the community will rise :)
There is moment in history when everything starts falling in place, until then nothing will seem like working right.
But when we reach the critical mass you will see this thing take off, until then buckel up your seat belts and expect the tide to set in soon.
Please do not take this as criticism. I respect everyone's space - come on folks we can collectively do it - why do we want to resist unity? It does no damage to us but only helps us for whatever cause we want to achieve, otherwise we will always be under the radar of people like Lou Dobbs and his likes - just because we are not vocal.
I am sure, one day the community will rise :)
There is moment in history when everything starts falling in place, until then nothing will seem like working right.
But when we reach the critical mass you will see this thing take off, until then buckel up your seat belts and expect the tide to set in soon.
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amoljak
10-24 11:11 AM
We have so much discussion on this topic in many threads but i dont know why people want to discuss samething again and again.
We know LC substituion is good for few and worst for many...
Admins can you please close the thread...
One person stepped out of the line and another one took his place... How is that worse for you (or anybody else)? (let alone worst) You are still 957,643rd in the line :)
We know LC substituion is good for few and worst for many...
Admins can you please close the thread...
One person stepped out of the line and another one took his place... How is that worse for you (or anybody else)? (let alone worst) You are still 957,643rd in the line :)
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jthomas
05-29 02:57 PM
Folks, we all agree the news delivered is not good. One good way to work en mass is to send complaints in thousands to the Ombudsman. For more details google for CIS Ombudsman.
Further, if any one is considering to get back home, keep in mind that if you don't contribute to SSA for 10 yrs, your and your employers' contributions are simply lost (with some exceptions for countries with which US has an agreement). To collect SSA at 65 for India/China citizens you need not to be a GC holder. You can collect living in your country. If you are close to 10 yrs, just reach that mark before you make any decisions.
Do you have more info on how to collect SSA after completing 10 years of job in US. It would be helpful. please post the link.
Further, if any one is considering to get back home, keep in mind that if you don't contribute to SSA for 10 yrs, your and your employers' contributions are simply lost (with some exceptions for countries with which US has an agreement). To collect SSA at 65 for India/China citizens you need not to be a GC holder. You can collect living in your country. If you are close to 10 yrs, just reach that mark before you make any decisions.
Do you have more info on how to collect SSA after completing 10 years of job in US. It would be helpful. please post the link.
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JalwaeJana
09-15 12:57 PM
Guys you for got that Eb2 applicant include thos that do not require labor . Also for each labor you would consume 2.3 to 2.5 visa , as with every approved labor there is a spouse and in some cases kids. So to clear 20,000 labor we need 40K visa spilled over to clear all of 2006 plus Eb2 cases that do not require labor
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dealsnet
09-03 03:03 PM
Most of the Indian politicians are Illiterate. This guy is a medical doctor by profession.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM THE LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
Folks whose views "Very sad news...May his soul rest and peace." for indian politicians are stupid and ediot. Not a single indian politician is admirable except Atalji.
about YSR, who violated Indian constitute being secular by promoting one religion(everyone knows) . Under his government, Whose life is improved? Any farmers, middle class folks , poor are same as before? No.
So, dont write Sorry , sad news, his soul rest and peace on this board, otheriwse, someone like me freak out and reply.
Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.
I AM NOT FROM AP. ALL I KNOW FROM READING ONLINE FROM THE LAST 2 DAYS.
SEE THE LINK 14 PEOPLE DIE OF SHOCK.
14 die of YSR shock in Andhra - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/14-die-of-YSR-shock-in-Andhra/articleshow/4969157.cms)
USA, UK CONDOLE YSR DEATH.
US, France, UK condole Reddy's death - India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/US-France-UK-condole-Reddys-death/articleshow/4969149.cms)
Folks whose views "Very sad news...May his soul rest and peace." for indian politicians are stupid and ediot. Not a single indian politician is admirable except Atalji.
about YSR, who violated Indian constitute being secular by promoting one religion(everyone knows) . Under his government, Whose life is improved? Any farmers, middle class folks , poor are same as before? No.
So, dont write Sorry , sad news, his soul rest and peace on this board, otheriwse, someone like me freak out and reply.
desi3933
06-16 04:33 PM
Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.
As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company committing pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
>> I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market.
I am glad we are on the same page on this. It is employer who decides how much to pay. Employee decides whether to take the offer or not. Simple.
>> Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud.
Well, you can report the fraudulent activity. If one is wronged, he/she has option of legal route and claiming punitive damages.
>> The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living.
If my employer pays me less salary, I have option to move to another job. Just like my employer has option to fire me and replace with another qualified worker. Again, unless otherwise, I assume all actions are legal. I don't know about you, but when I came to USA, nobody give me assurance or guarantee that this job is future will pay me at least xx k per year so as to maintain quality of life. Here, two person of equal talent, could be earning 60k and 120k per year. It depends on your skill set, how do you sell yourself, and luck. An example - I have backgound both in Comp Science and Finance, so I look for opportunities where I can use both of them for effective leverage. If you think that I didn't face outsourcing challage or was not given pink slip, then you are wrong. As most professionals, I have seen good days and not-so-good days.
>> Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too.
With your admission, it is employer's choice on how much to pay. As long as law is followed, you or I can NOT decide on anyone else's salary.
>> For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future.
Bad things do happen. Projects get cancelled as Customer is no longer interested. Employer wants to move from Chicago to Dallas, that may prompt employee to look elsewhere. Some employers do not process green card at all (It happened to me, a Big Bank was not processing Green Cards in 1999). You assume all good and rosy will happen to guenine employers and good employees.
>> Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies.
Just as some employers with permanent positions are not good, there are some employers in Consulting and Outsourcing world that may be good. Let USCIS and other agencies determine who are genuine employers or not.
>> I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!
No sir. It is employer-employment based. If you don't have employer to back your I-140, how will get green card. Do you know there is a category - Eb3 skilled worker, where benefiery does not even need bachelor degree. What do you think, those people are "lucky". If so, please take your arguement to Senators and USCIS to restict GC for "merit based" only. Until then, as long as one is getting green card, as per current law, (again as per current law), who are we to complain?
GC is not IIT-JEE exam where there is only one classification. Clear the exam and get the admission. There are varoius categories from EB-1 (Rocket Scientist) to EB-4 (Priest). This is not one-size-fits-all.
We need to look at issues faced by EB based community from a distance and without the glasses of issues faced personally by us. Until then, it is fight that one is more deserving than the other.
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As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.
I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company committing pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
>> I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is consummate with the market.
I am glad we are on the same page on this. It is employer who decides how much to pay. Employee decides whether to take the offer or not. Simple.
>> Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud.
Well, you can report the fraudulent activity. If one is wronged, he/she has option of legal route and claiming punitive damages.
>> The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living.
If my employer pays me less salary, I have option to move to another job. Just like my employer has option to fire me and replace with another qualified worker. Again, unless otherwise, I assume all actions are legal. I don't know about you, but when I came to USA, nobody give me assurance or guarantee that this job is future will pay me at least xx k per year so as to maintain quality of life. Here, two person of equal talent, could be earning 60k and 120k per year. It depends on your skill set, how do you sell yourself, and luck. An example - I have backgound both in Comp Science and Finance, so I look for opportunities where I can use both of them for effective leverage. If you think that I didn't face outsourcing challage or was not given pink slip, then you are wrong. As most professionals, I have seen good days and not-so-good days.
>> Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too.
With your admission, it is employer's choice on how much to pay. As long as law is followed, you or I can NOT decide on anyone else's salary.
>> For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future.
Bad things do happen. Projects get cancelled as Customer is no longer interested. Employer wants to move from Chicago to Dallas, that may prompt employee to look elsewhere. Some employers do not process green card at all (It happened to me, a Big Bank was not processing Green Cards in 1999). You assume all good and rosy will happen to guenine employers and good employees.
>> Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies.
Just as some employers with permanent positions are not good, there are some employers in Consulting and Outsourcing world that may be good. Let USCIS and other agencies determine who are genuine employers or not.
>> I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!
No sir. It is employer-employment based. If you don't have employer to back your I-140, how will get green card. Do you know there is a category - Eb3 skilled worker, where benefiery does not even need bachelor degree. What do you think, those people are "lucky". If so, please take your arguement to Senators and USCIS to restict GC for "merit based" only. Until then, as long as one is getting green card, as per current law, (again as per current law), who are we to complain?
GC is not IIT-JEE exam where there is only one classification. Clear the exam and get the admission. There are varoius categories from EB-1 (Rocket Scientist) to EB-4 (Priest). This is not one-size-fits-all.
We need to look at issues faced by EB based community from a distance and without the glasses of issues faced personally by us. Until then, it is fight that one is more deserving than the other.
.
Openarms
07-28 01:46 PM
Where are the Attorney's responses on this thread??
