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  • GCwaitforever
    02-13 02:07 PM
    I couldn't agree more with you. The limited number of GC is definitely a critical factor. But we have contributed to this mess ourselves. Look what happened with EB2 India. Did India started producing EB2 talents overnight? No; rather we started polishing our resumes with inflated years of experience and job description so that we can apply to EB2. The system is too liberal and based on trust. If employers start scrutinizing resumes and certificates a lot of applicants will simply drop off from the GC queue.

    Totally disagree with you. People do not inflate their resumes and apply for EB2. There is no need for that for many of us in the profession for more than 10 years already. Besides, it comes under immigration fraud and leads to deportation.

    EB2 India is clogged up because people who applied for EB3 five or six years ago switched to EB2 by applying with newly promoted positions and transferring old EB3 priority date.

    It all comes down to USCIS/DOL/SWA/BEC processing paper-based cases at tortoise pace and making loads of money for their employees and their pensions. Had they processed cases quickly with electronic processing, EB2 India would not be backlogged like this.





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  • ujjvalkoul
    10-04 11:16 AM
    You can apply for Canadian PR while staying in the USA if you can demonstrate that you have entered the USA legally and stayed in the country legally for at least one year. That's what Canadian law says. I'm too lazy to look for the actual law -- just google it. ;)

    You can apply for the Canadian citizenship after staying in Canada for three years out of four. Of these three years, you must be a PR for at least two years.

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen/becoming-howto.html
    Yes... at the time of application the H1B should be valid for at least 1 year.... I got my papers returned to me coz of this. I reapplied once I renewd my H1 for 3 more yrs





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  • GCard_Dream
    10-04 02:39 PM
    Well.. may be because we don't have any legislative issues to talk about until congress comes back from recess in November. By the way, how do you know that this practice might be ending soon. I know DOL was considering this and was receiving inputs back in April but nothing came out of that. They have thought about this before and they are thinking about it again. DOL knows that this system is being misused to the fullest extent and want to put a stop to it but they never do due to the pressure from companies misusing them. Why do you think DOL will act now? I have my doubts that anything will be done.

    I have seen at least three thread in the past that discussed labor sub bashing. So you guys made your point, it is an evil practice and it screws those standing behind. We already know that this practice might be ended soon. So why are we discussing this issue for the fourth time all over again? :rolleyes:





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  • 12Karan
    08-15 06:53 PM
    Indians are masters in creating unnecessary ourage. Look what a big deal the Indian media made of students being attacked in Australia. Indians declared Australia as a racist country and they branded Britain also as racist when Shilpa Shetty episode took place. Now also they are making a non-issue as a big deal. It seems that Indians thinking is buillt around that all the world is racist and biased toward India. But, when it comes to showing ourage to genuine issues they are always silent. So many horrible things happen to millions of Indians everyday but no body cares about them. Also, when chinese think tank published a report last week about breaking India in many states, there was no outrage. As compared to this news SRK news is nothing. The reason is simple chinese will shut Indians out because they know what works while dealing with Indians.



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  • rsdang
    07-16 01:22 AM
    So gurus,
    The progress has been better than this analysis - so where does this leave us?
    Any more thoughts?





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  • lord_labaku
    02-13 12:32 AM
    Before the Y2K problem, the most common route for Indians to migrate to the US (EB category) was this -->

    TOEFL
    GRE
    Admission into US university (most likely for masters)
    Scholarship or loan
    MS/Phd in US
    Internship using OPT
    Job/ H1

    Since this involved multiple non trivial steps; the barrier for entry was pretty high that prevented mass migration.

    There were procedural delays (in some states with a lot of Indian population ( oh yeah; labor certs used to take 3-5 years esp in California, Texas & Northeast; but you could get labor cert faster in south dakota or such less densely populated places; but once you hit the 485 stage, you were certain of a GC within a few months )

    And then along with Y2K came TCS, Wipro, Infosys, & infinite other bodyshops that suddenly changed the equation. No need for TOEFL, GRE. No need to fight for scholarship; no need for TA. no need for RA; no need for MS; in a lot of cases, no need for even UG degree in computers/engg. The requirements ranged from having all 10 fingers in place to knowing the right people in the bodyshop company to land an assignment in the US. Once placed at a client site, it was just a matter of finding the right opportunity to get the client to sponsor your H1. I am sure there were a lot other ways the H1 & L1 visas were abused.

    So the situation changed from just procedural delays to procedural delays + extra influx of Indians due to H1/L1 visa misuse.

    Ofcourse, we can only blame the inefficiencies of the USCIS/INS/DOL system & silently turn the other way when malpractices & visa abuse were rampant (I guess still is) in the IT bodyshop industry.

    I am sure this rant will seem extremely prejudicial. But just for a slight moment; think about why all this happened.



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  • ita
    09-05 02:15 PM
    Since the Lord Jesus has given his Judgement , there's not much we can do about the supposedly great man but talk about his great deeds when he was alive.

    Apparently goons encouraged by the state started occupying the Sacred temple Simhachala lands left and right.Then after enough has been accumulated so called great man entered the scene saying govt is taking over the occupied lands ,which they started giving over to christian missionaries.Someone I know that visited their native place Visakha a month back brought this information .I was really amused all along about the helplessness of all the people like me.

    Of course like many there's many more incidents that I have heard about this so called great man.Like many I'm amazed with the articles coming in the media in last few days which are oozing with this desperation to pitch the guy into some kind of fame (albeit after death)





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  • Caliber
    09-04 02:08 PM
    So next time of election, take vacation and go home, do campaigning, spend money and vote out the govt. you dislike, if you are real serious.

    Thanks for your advice indeed. I can not go and vote. If I go, they will kill me. They killed several hundred people just because they did not agree to sell their lands at 1/100 of a price.

    Please do not compare Kerala with Andhra. Today's AP is nothing but earlier Bihar. YSR and gang have terrorised the whole state, govt and judiciary.



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  • TeddyKoochu
    09-15 07:52 AM
    Year, TOT_LBRS, Certified, LBR_INDIA PD_>_10/1/2001
    2000 074048 70204 ????? 0
    2001 082139 77921 ????? 0
    2002 089168 79784 ????? 7873
    2003 095299 62912 ????? 25956
    2004 098866 43582 ????? 26569
    2005 014253 06133 01350 6133
    2006 105960 79782 22298 79782
    2007 098753 85112 24573 85112
    2008 061997 21092 07198 21092
    Total 720483 526522 55419 252517



    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum2-retrogression-priority-dates-and-visa-bulletins/23813-perm-labor-data-analysis.html


    In 2005 there are a total of 01350 labors certified only for India.
    In 2006 there are a total of 22298 labors certified only for India.

    The other important thing here to note down is there are many outsourcing companies out there filed/filing GCs for their so called managers in EB1 category.

    Friends looks like that there is a consensus that folks with 2005 will get their GC soon, all of you have stated that there are very few labors for this year. How do we divide the labors for 2006, if we give 50% of them to EB2 I then I believe that by Sep 2010 year 2006 should get cleaned out. Another point is how the spillover is allocated quarterly, annually or randomly (How do we explain EB2I going back to 01 Jan 2000 and then recovering back). Definitely a quarterly spillover will make predictions & life easier! Something to factor is EB2-C, EB2-I date has almost caught up, traditionally it stays 1 yr behind (EB2-I lags EB2-C) in the early part of the year, this could be huge factor if both catch up.





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  • samay
    07-21 08:09 PM
    Dear Lawyer,
    I have applied for my renewal of EAD. Please let me know if I have answered the following correct and if there is anything I can do to rectify if you think these are not the right answers. Thanks in advance for your help,

    For question 14, Manner of last entry: " Paroled (AOS) " because that is what will be stamped in my passport and I94 after my entry into US.
    For question 15, Current Immigration status: " H1B Worker " because my H1B is valid till 2010 and I never used my EAD or received my green card.

    This question says how you entered the US the last time and not how you intend to in the future. My understanding is that you last traveled on your H-1 B therefore, it should say H-1B (please confirm the same with your I-94.)



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  • bestia
    02-14 11:36 AM
    Bestia,

    This is bigotry. Stop using other countries (Sierra Leone or Kongo (spelled Congo FYI) as scapegoats. Obviously, your country isn't so great or you wouldn't be on this forum trying to immigrate to the U.S. Plenty of people do immigrate to the Congo and Sierra Leone FYI...I am not attacking you but it is incredibly insensitive and ridiculous to point to other countries in that way - where are you from that's so perfect?

    I brought African countries not as scapegoats, but as examples of countries not colonized by Europeans. I didn't mean to insult anybody from Sierra Leone or Congo ;) But my point was that if there wouldn't be Europeans - there wouldn't be United States.

    Man... you can't bring some example, not to be accused of something... Come on guys.

    Happy Valentine's Day.





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  • sumagiri
    07-23 02:07 PM
    that EB3 quota has been used up for this fiscal and will re-open in October only. I assume you're wondering whether some FB spill over would go to EB3. If that's the case they wouldn't have announced EB3 quota is over.

    Legal, Thanks again. Also that is where exactly is the contradiction in analysis.

    In my understanding, they must apply any spill over to EB3 too. EB3 gets 28.6% of total quota (Including spill overs). If some one is sure that it is not the case, please correct me.

    If spill over was already applied and if EB3 will not open up again, then EB3 already got its share of spill over and EB2 also used up some part of that spill over, so only part of that spill over is left for the 2 months.

    If spill over is not applied yet, then EB3 should get 28.6% of what ever is spilled over to total EB quota. Hence EB3 should open up again.

    Please note that I am not making this complex. I am only pointing at complexities.



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  • shana04
    10-15 03:11 PM
    I have built a very simple EB2-I Visa predition model

    Making following assumption

    15000 new EB2 ROW I-485 applications
    12000 new EB1 I-485 applications
    EB4/EB5 use 70% of allocated visa (30% spillover)


    EB2 Visa Bulletin prediction for FY 2010
    Bulletin Quarterly-spillover Annual Spillover
    Oct-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
    Nov-09 22-Jan-2005 22-Jan-2005
    Dec-09 31-Mar-2005 1-Feb-2005
    Jan-10 31-Mar-2005 15-Feb-2005
    Feb-10 31-Mar-2005 31-Mar-2005
    Mar-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
    Apr-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
    May-10 31-Mar-2006 31-Mar-2005
    Jun-10 15-Oct-2006 31-Mar-2005
    Jul-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Sep-2005
    Aug-10 15-Oct-2006 30-Apr-2007
    Sep-10 31-Mar-2007 30-May-2007

    Amen! I wish your predictions come true.





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  • villamonte6100
    06-28 11:56 AM
    This is what my very very high profile attorney wrote in her email to me today....

    " We have heard that there will be a visa regression the first week of July "

    And in immigration matters I trust her more than anybody in this whole country. So guys be ready and prepared. Do what u have to do. Be proactive.

    My post is not to spread rumors or scare people but to help them to grab this golden opportunity.

    I am ready to send papers for July 1st.

    Does your attorney cost $400 to $800 an hour. I work with a law firm and our attorneys per hour rates are from $400 up. I don't understand your description of "very very high profile" attorney.



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  • vivid_bharti
    09-04 11:20 AM
    If you and other who have problems with this thread, don't like this discussion than why do you guys bother to come on this thread, just ignore it....This is not contributing to anything. I dont think oposing parties in this discussion will ever come to an agreement so what is the purpose of carrying on. Please close this and lets concentrate on something else.





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  • reachinus
    07-31 01:09 PM
    Think you are too busy to answer my question. Anyway thanks for your time and reply atleat for 1 time.

    Hello Atty, Hope you can reply to my question as well. Please let me know if I should contact the CBP and tell them about this or just ignore.

    Thanks for your time in advance.



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  • roseball
    06-28 08:27 PM
    June 28, 2007
    USCIS: RUMORS OF EARLY VISA RETROGRESSION

    Late Wednesday, rumors emerged that the USCIS may attempt to retrogress the July immigrant visa numbers early in July and reject I- 485 (adjustment of status) applications filed early in the month. USCIS has taken such action already with respect to the �other worker� visa category involving non-professional workers.

    Visa availability is based on the U.S. Department of State Visa Bulletin, which is published monthly, not on a rolling basis. If USCIS cuts off visa numbers in mid-month, this would be a clear violation of Federal law and agency policy. If the USCIS were to take this arbitrary action, it would cause significant problems for applicants and employers alike.

    If USCIS cuts off applications on a certain date in early July, this will most likely occur without advance warning. In that case, not all applications will be accepted for processing. Be aware that that USCIS will reject an application unless it contains certain minimum supporting documents. For I-485 applications, minimum documents include a completed medical examination and birth certificates (or secondary evidence of birth, which must meet specific USCIS requirements). Applications for dependent spouses must include a marriage certificate. We strongly recommend that I-485 applicants obtain these and other requested documents as soon as possible. Until further notice, please do not plan to travel internationally during the month of July.

    We will work as hard and as diligently as possible to get I-485 applications filed quickly. This will require active cooperation by all applicants to obtain needed documents. Again, please understand that the proposed USCIS action is just rumor at this point, but if the USCIS takes such action, it will likely be without warning. Further, it is possible that there could be retroactive rejections of applications once filed. Unfortunately, this is all we know at this time. We do not know when and if any such actions will occur; we will also not know immediately which, if any, cases are rejected once they have been submitted.

    The attorneys at XXXXX are shocked and disappointed that the government could take such ill-thought and arbitrary steps and we will work to fight any illegal action by the USCIS. We are continuing to monitor the USCIS� actions and will provide updates as they become available





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  • chi_shark
    06-15 10:21 AM
    but sachu22g seems to be on the money for the most part! kudos to that simple model. the only date that is not realistic is the May 2007 for sep 2010. rest all are on the money! nice!
    Sachug22,
    While I would love for your prediction to be true for the remaining three bulletins, I highly doubt that days will move past 2006, let alone may 07. Let us wait for 2 more months to see where you are.

    Good effort though.

    -V





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  • Saralayar
    07-14 09:07 PM
    My son recently finished his high school and wanted to do Dental degree in India. My current situation is I have applied for adjustment of status in July 2007. Me and my family got the EAD and AP. My priority date is Eb3-November 2005. WIth this mess, I am not sure when I will get my green card.
    My question is:
    Can I send my son to India for his studies when the adjustment of status is pending. Will it be considered as abondaned if he is out of US when the adjustment of status is in progress?.
    Is there any specific forms for this type of situation so that he can go for studies in India and continue the adjustment of status.
    Thanks in Advance and your answer will be helpful for our quick decision for this year courses.





    carpediem
    07-27 11:43 AM
    I've lived in Stamford CT and Boston for the last 2 years and surprisingly I've never been approached by a single desi Quixtar person here so far. That's one of the best parts about shopping around Boston... you don't have these people wasting so much of your time.

    When I lived in the Bay Area (3.5 years) I would chat with these people when time allowed, just move quickly around any strangers who seemed overly eager and always respond with I don't give out my phone numbers to strangers if I am forced to chat. So I guess the lesson is to move to areas where there are fewer Indians. Second look older, grow a paunch. Looking fit or young is a problem because they think you're easier to dupe. ;)

    In short I just hate these people with my whole heart and it is a pity that I can no longer chat with random people any longer. What's the value of money if it comes at such a heavy price of destroying a community.





    BharatPremi
    12-13 05:52 PM
    Note that it would certainly not benefit the other 60%+ from countries other than India that are also stuck in various steps (EB3, name check). So, unless you want IV to stand for IndiaVoice, you should concentrate your admirable effort on increasing the overall quota (with increased per-country quota), excluding dependents, etc.

    Do not worry about that. IV has everything in the agenda what you mentioned.This thread is about 'Constitutionality argument against per-country ceilings'.Nobody here is saying to promote the fight against "Per country ceiling" ONLY.



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  • surya.kant
    05-30 09:22 AM
    Mr. Oppenheim stated that, due to the dramatic increase in employment-based filings, visa cutoff dates for FY2010 will be much more limited to ensure that there will be a steady supply of visa numbers available throughout the year. This will lead to earlier cutoff dates and may help prevent visa categories from becoming unavailable.


    This is the key for VB in coming months. The cut-offs will move slowly and that would mean FIFO for approvals.

    Recapturing unused visa is the only way to reduce the gap between visa supply and demand.





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  • ramus
    07-03 04:20 PM
    Any other way you can get in touch with her... phone??


    Wrote to Jennifer Ludden at NPR who regularly reports on immigration
    email addresses are first name initial followed by lastname at npr dot org, if you would like to write





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  • BharatPremi
    12-13 05:22 PM
    In short, you cannot challenge the law itself but, can challenge how the law is interpreted.


    In general terms, yes that is the case and it should be. But what if some law is in direct conflict with the main theme or part of the constitution ?

    Like here EEO bans consideration of country of origin but EB based immigration allows per country limit. Both concepts/practice are really attached with "Employment". :confused:

    And all laws are really covered under the power of constitution? If not than where this one (per country based) lies? Constitutional OR non constitutional?





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  • saimrathi
    07-03 06:58 PM
    On 7/3/07, Senator_Clinton@clinton.senate.gov <Senator_Clinton@clinton.senate.gov> wrote:

    Dear Friend:

    Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with me
    via e-mail. I hope you will understand that, because of the volume of
    e-mails I receive from residents of New York State, I cannot at this time
    respond to messages received from residents of other states. I encourage
    you to contact your U.S. senators if you have an issue or concern that
    needs immediate attention. You can access your senators electronically by
    visiting http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm for a listing
    of their contact information. If you are still interested in learning
    more about the work I am doing on behalf of New York State, I hope you
    will continue to monitor my work through my website at
    http://clinton.senate.gov.

    Sincerely,

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
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  • Jerrome
    09-24 10:25 AM
    When can I get my gc based on these uscis data for sept 2005 eb-2.Please suggest me.

    100% by this time next year if the spill over rules are not changed. If they are changed then in next 5 years.
    (India upto september 2005 got almost 15K) per year india got 3500, do the math.





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  • rongha_2000
    07-26 02:42 PM
    So why are you here in the first place? Why in US? Why applying for GC? Why on IV to try to improve this broken system? Face the fact, you too dont want to return or else you wouldnt be here.

    There is no harm in being selfish and persuing a better life. "Do something good for India" is an ideal punch line for preachers. BUT Be realistic.

    I am an Indian and proud to be so. Indians - Remove the "SLAVE" mentality from your minds. Think positive. Do some thing good for India, where you have been born and brought up; where your previous generations have flourished. Since, you are now living and earning in US, be loyal to US too.



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  • gimmeacard
    07-21 04:24 PM
    Did it for 4 years and quit in 2007... lost 20K and 95% of my friends...

    Quixtar is not bad but the people running sub-businesses (such as BWW etc) by pushing tapes and books on you make it HELL

    Stay Away unless you are willing to lose a lot to gain a few!!

    PEACE

    i am not convinced u lost 20k in it? my roommate was a quikster guy, he never forced anyone., he would receive all this Junk stuff to sell, after 1 year he said enough and stopped, i dont think its madatory to buy stuff, its all about the new member add and comissions with it that prompts them to catch new desis.

    For good sake desis, dont get your wifes and Kids involved in it, i ,met a desi in Target and asked him, dont u feel annoyed getting turned down with rude behaviours, ( he was with wife trying to get me to buy)

    he said NO? WHY? after all its all about Money? hear it





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  • franklin
    02-14 04:44 PM
    Wow - yes, I obviously wasn't getting the point! Thanks UN for clarifying it.

    My earlier comments were more questioning why we debating what I thought was a hypothetical problem, ie "if there were unused visas, there wouldn't be retrogression", and I was missing the bigger picture.

    I certainly wasn't "one of those EB3 WOW guys" just arguing that we should get all the extras, if you know any history about my posting on this board, you'll know that I am concerned with everyone's fight, not just mine.



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  • sanju
    04-15 10:00 PM
    How about Simon for PM of India. This guy knows everything ahead of time -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk



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  • chintu25
    02-14 02:08 PM
    :mad:Guys do us all a favour Vote for or against the Lawsuit in the other thread



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  • Rohan99
    07-22 12:24 PM
    dude, don't read too much.... it is a fun thread, Another way to scare Amway jokers.

    You will not believe that during Indian Independence day parade in Fremont Ca, these jokers were standing next to ticket counter and bothering everyone. I was not spared but I was polite to them because by nature I am not rude but annoyed lot.


    Dont you think you took it too far? I dont think you make much sense. There it is, since you asked for my opinion.





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  • lord_labaku
    02-13 12:32 AM
    Before the Y2K problem, the most common route for Indians to migrate to the US (EB category) was this -->

    TOEFL
    GRE
    Admission into US university (most likely for masters)
    Scholarship or loan
    MS/Phd in US
    Internship using OPT
    Job/ H1

    Since this involved multiple non trivial steps; the barrier for entry was pretty high that prevented mass migration.

    There were procedural delays (in some states with a lot of Indian population ( oh yeah; labor certs used to take 3-5 years esp in California, Texas & Northeast; but you could get labor cert faster in south dakota or such less densely populated places; but once you hit the 485 stage, you were certain of a GC within a few months )

    And then along with Y2K came TCS, Wipro, Infosys, & infinite other bodyshops that suddenly changed the equation. No need for TOEFL, GRE. No need to fight for scholarship; no need for TA. no need for RA; no need for MS; in a lot of cases, no need for even UG degree in computers/engg. The requirements ranged from having all 10 fingers in place to knowing the right people in the bodyshop company to land an assignment in the US. Once placed at a client site, it was just a matter of finding the right opportunity to get the client to sponsor your H1. I am sure there were a lot other ways the H1 & L1 visas were abused.

    So the situation changed from just procedural delays to procedural delays + extra influx of Indians due to H1/L1 visa misuse.

    Ofcourse, we can only blame the inefficiencies of the USCIS/INS/DOL system & silently turn the other way when malpractices & visa abuse were rampant (I guess still is) in the IT bodyshop industry.

    I am sure this rant will seem extremely prejudicial. But just for a slight moment; think about why all this happened.



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  • eb3_nepa
    10-23 11:34 AM
    Hello everyone.

    I was wondering if someone could point me to how exactly labor substitution works.

    Before anyone starts jumping down my throat, i am JUST looking for documentation on the full process and I DID try looking on the google.

    If someone has any article on labor substitution and how it works please post it on here.





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  • dallasdude
    06-12 04:11 PM
    Guys, I've heard (and only heard - don't red me now) that Cognizant has its H-1Bs being rejected and I've heard as far as this that some of the people in Cognizant who got green card through EB-1 category have been deported due to investigation after complaints regarding misuse of EB-1 category by these companies.

    has anyone else heard the same?

    That's extremely wonderful news. thanks for sharing.



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  • Macaca
    02-19 06:15 PM
    There may be restarunt managers got GC thro EB1. I know one guy got GC thro EB1-Multinational manager thro a small consulting firm having less employees in both India and USA.

    Why is it surprsing that Skill Bill is not passing when restaurant manager is getting GC before US CS Ph D?





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  • carpediem
    05-29 12:01 AM
    That's really tough! I don't think I can keep the same job profile for 10 years. Neither can I form a start-up and have it sponsor my GC application.

    The only hope might be to become a multinational executive really fast, or win the lottery and invest a million dollars in the US. :)

    Guys I think it's time to go home, Swades style!



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  • old_hat
    05-02 02:38 PM
    The issue started long before LTTE but it has not stayed static. There were many opportunities to set it correct which LTTE shunned. Again a lot of Tamils joined mainstream in Lanka and LTTE went after them too.





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  • SSSarkar
    06-27 03:18 PM
    Well said...

    EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM :
    PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD RUMORS ! WE ARE ALREADY STRESSED AS IT IS. WE DONT NEED ONE MORE RUMOR LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW.
    IF YOU ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF LOGIC TO SUPPORT IT, PLEASE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF, FOR GOD'S SAKE !

    IF YOU ARE FEELING INSURED, HELPLESS AND WITH NO CONFIDENCE - JUST REMEMBER, ALMOST EVERYONE IS FEELING THE SAME. JUST DONT HIT THE PANIC BUTTON BASED ON NOTHING, PLEASE !

    JUST FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR LAWYER AND MAKE ALL THE DOCUMENTS READY TO FILE AS SOON AS YOU CAN. THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO ! IF SOMETHING HAPPENS LET IT HAPPEN. NO NEED TO LIVE IT THRU TWICE, ONCE NOW AND ONCE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
    PEACE.:mad:





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  • garybanz
    12-14 04:37 PM
    Simple. If it wasn't for that ceiling the vast majority of the visas will go to applicants from the oversubscribed countries. Now this is not a bad thing if the visas are in unlimited supply. But since that's not the case, the country ceiling ensures that even people from smaller nations will get an equal oportunity to claim a visa before all the visa are grabbed by their BIG brothers and sisters. And what's more what ever is left is given back to the oversubscribed countries.

    How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?

    "equal chance to have go at his GC"

    I don't have an issue with equal chance...thats exactly what i am asking for.





    maddipati1
    03-27 02:43 PM
    people went to see another guy taking oath too, who caused recent genocide in Iraq.. Indian PMs are way better than that asshole. Atleast they are only corrupt and dont cause genocide.

    :mad:

    I am just wondering.....
    when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
    I am just wondering.....
    will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
    I am wondering.....
    when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....





    greencard_fever
    07-25 10:31 AM
    Well I agree with you and some other members. Most of these lawyers don't know crap what they are talking about. I have my white lawyer, so far the experience has been good with him, but when I asked about the current dates, he was quiet perplexed.

    The fact is , no one has done calculation like we IV members, also in Ron's post nothing was mentioned about horizontal or vertical movement. All the comments made by this lawyer are more on subjective and speculative lines.

    Ron Gotcher is simply doing a guess work here,

    It's reverse psychology, create a little tension among applicants, and the lawyers will get more clients for answers. Believe it or not, IV has affected a lot lawyers business, as now members here are more educated in filling up different forms themselves. Somehow I feel, even a firm like Murthy law looks up to IV for latest updates.

    Well said,Yes attorneys would not know much about the recent changes in processing the application and VISA spill over changes.I bet every since IV made a remarkable place in Immigration community Murthy might be experiencing cut down in new clients and less mumber of Hits to MURTHY.COM

    Kudos to IV and all Core team members.



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  • raysaikat
    07-15 06:09 PM
    Hi,

    I have an EB2 I-140 approved; PD Aug 29, 2007. The corresponding LC was filed with "Special Handling" for university teachers.

    1. If I change into a non-academic job, then can the PD be retained when I refile?

    2. If I go out of US for a few years (say 3-5 years) and then come back with a new job, will I be able to retain this PD when I refile?

    Thanks for your time.





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  • AllVNeedGcPc
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  • snathan
    01-16 07:20 PM
    There is no such requirement for fresh H1B as well as renewal as per Law. That is why we call it an ILLEGAL memo. We all need to fight this together.

    NB: I am not a specialist in law

    We need to come up with a road map and how to fight?





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  • msp1976
    05-10 04:47 PM
    Other countries donot have large enough economies to absorb as many immigrants as the US does...The US accepts 800K + immigrants every year..
    Austrelia accepts 120K+ canada 220k+ Nobody matches the US in sheer numbers and standard of living immigrant can achieve. All the rest is baloney...



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  • srikondoji
    06-26 12:32 PM
    nope. The august bulletin which gets released mid july didn't get into our arguements at all. We were specifially talking about july filers and july month.

    Yes, i agree that if August bulletin retrogresses than that affects only august filers and not the people eligible to file in july.

    Yes, the august bulletin will be showing retrogressed dates. But when August bulletin is issued in mid-July, it does not impact the petitions received in July, because the August bulletin applies to August and even if August is retrogressed until 1975, they still have to accept 485s until 31st July.

    That's what your lawyer said. Right?





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  • qplearn
    10-23 01:02 PM
    Hello everyone.

    I was wondering if someone could point me to how exactly labor substitution works.

    Before anyone starts jumping down my throat, i am JUST looking for documentation on the full process and I DID try looking on the google.

    If someone has any article on labor substitution and how it works please post it on here.

    Best of luck!



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  • maximus777
    08-19 10:51 AM
    Another story doing the rounds.....

    SRK as usual did not comb his hair and was dressed shabbily...

    Immigration officer: Who are you?

    SRK with a loud voice: " Im KING KHAN ".

    Immigration officer: What......???

    Other Immigration officer: Sir! He said he is KING KONG.....

    Immigration officer : Guys catch the monkey in disguise......

    SRK: Maahaaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa...

    Immigration officer: Sir...Howz the monkey sounding like a Goat????

    So this is how SRK was caged in America...

    Good one! LMAO :D





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  • gvenkat
    02-13 02:42 PM
    What ever gave you the idea that EB ROW only wait for 3 years?

    i said on an average.. and that is the fact.. ROW is way better off than India/China... there are always exceptions...



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  • gc28262
    01-14 01:14 PM
    V true.

    Folks, the memo clearly empowers USCIS to crack down on consulting firms which don't have any in-house infrastructure (other than contractors) to execute projects.
    H1B is misused for a long time now by these firms and it was high time they put the screws on these "job shops" as they call it. Unfortunately some talented workers will get impacted.
    But if they are talented they will find opportunities elsewhere. Trust me on that. And better opportunities.

    Nathan is exactly right. These firms have created a mess by bending rules everywhere.

    Don't start speculating that USCIS is trying to throw out all immigrants from this country. I'm surprised that folks don't take a proper view of the situation (yeah..bring the reds on and call me an anti-immigrant).

    You are wrong. Look behind the scenes to understand what is really happening. Who forced this memo ? Who made this lawmaker to write letters to USCIS director ? You were not watching while all the background work was being done by anti-immigrants.





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  • extra_mint
    09-15 12:26 PM
    Totally Agree with your assumptions, there are few more that can be added like

    Some 3-5% people with PD 2005 - 2006 are already approved (as low hanging fruits) during 2008 Aug-Oct period.

    Also recent span of RFE's by USCIS (for preadjudication) resulted in flushing out of some applications

    In short pending EB2 numbers that you are taking into account will be 10 to 20% less and available visa numbers from spill overs will be 20 to 30% more than what you projects. So forward movement will surely be there.

    However there is a doubt related to spill overs every quarter !!
    Allocations are surely made on quarter to quarter basis but there is no certain precedence in the past for spill overs, well i would say the past has been shady

    I recall once VB where EB2 I was giving numbers from EB1 and this was before the last quarter (happened in FY 2008). We have to wait till Dec, 2009 Bulletin.




    The analysis is very optimistic and does not account for

    Duplicates (multiple I-485 for same person)
    Discarded Labor (many people just discard the perm since they switch jobs or did not want to do GC)
    Upgrades (people had EB2 perm but got GC in EB1 category)
    Cross-chargeability (with spouse of PERM hold birth from non retrogressed country)


    If they all makeup to 10-20% of applicants then the PD will move much faster.



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  • anai
    06-28 03:38 PM
    Based on this, I have again (yes, again) emailed by immigration lawyer and sent him the AILA's URL (although I cant see it coz I am not member of AILA).

    IF AILA reports that they stopped accepting new 485 petitions for EB3-other, then it is pretty freaking scary and that means that what my lawyer told me "I cant happen, bla bla bla..." is really not 100% accurate. If it happened in June, it can happen in July. This is now REALLLLY SCARY, coz my lawyer has plans for July-end for filing.

    Ever since the dates got current, it has been more stressful than the time when dates were retrogressed and almost makes me miss the retrogression days when I didnt have to depend on the lawyers for my career.

    So, what did your lawyer say? Would sure love to know, once you hear back.





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  • Michael chertoff
    07-30 09:28 AM
    This Ron Gotcher guy does not seem to get it.... he has an agenda, I dont buy his logic. It is unlikely that ~ 50 cases at consular posts are enough motivation to move dates forward by two years.

    It took roughly one year for EB2-I dates to advance beyond April04 from the time it first got to April 04.
    We know 2005 is a lean year.
    It is likely that it will take almost a year before EB2-I dates advance beyond June06.
    Those with PD < June06 that do not get a GC by Sep08 can expect to get it by Sep 09. Until then we will see some short term swings between 2003 and 2006.

    When people with PD June 15 2006 will get the greencard???



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  • manderson
    02-12 12:09 PM
    pls read my post. I said EB3 ROW

    are you dreaming ... India EB3 is 01AUG01





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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 03:38 PM
    Plainspeak - From one girl to another - you have a lot of time to kill :) For members who did not get worked up by your post, everyone has had a good laugh! Thanks.

    Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.

    BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it.
    Plainspeak - From one girl to another - you have a lot of time to kill For members who did not get worked up by your post, everyone has had a good laugh! Thanks.
    You know from one girl to another if you are trying to be scarcastic please dont because you do not know how to. Just come out and say your piece and if it is appended with abuse (Well whats new with IV members)

    Trying to have a discussion on your points is meaningless (at least to me) as I do not believe in conceit.Meaningless.
    Did you say the same when the flower campaing was done and let me tell you that one succesfull campaing was after of 100 failures. So for you to decide on my points as meaningless is your right to do so and yes even say it out aloud in the forum (To get some laughs at my expense. I donot mind hey it is a free country). What can i say. An effort is an effort and there is no belitting it. Conceit whaaaaa wheeer wheeenn Ok i will let it slide...............

    BTW, you don't have to respond to my post, as I will not be checking it. Oh
    but i do because whether you check it or not i wil lreply back becasue here on a forum an answer is a sign of respect



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  • EkAurAaya
    07-10 11:41 AM
    Dude you just gave me goose bumps! You should forward your heart felt note to media outlets!

    I sincerely wish you the best! God Bless! Good luck with everything...

    At least you wont have to worry about "visa-status" "legal/illegal" "H1b" "H4" Labor Cert" i140" i485" EAD" AP"... F$#% that! :D





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  • logiclife
    06-26 01:17 PM
    Thanks for making me look like an idiot in front of my lawyer and HR, everyone.

    Based on RUMORs, I asked my lawyer this question:

    I have a question about July Visa bulletin. If the August bulletin is retrogressed when announced in mid-July, can the USCIS change rules and stop accepting new Adjustment of status petitions in mid-July ? I know that it sounds illogical and that July bulletin's current dates would apply thru July 31st but I am hearing from my professional colleagues that USCIS could change rules and stop accepting new AOS petitions in middle of the month.

    And I got this reply :

    Yes, what you raise is quite illogical. The visa bulletin controls which AOS can be filed during the calendar month for which it is published, there is no way for USCIS to stop receiving an AOS application received say on July 16th. AOS is not like an H1B filing, where there is a finite # that must be received by a date certain and then allocated.

    See, hear that ? "NO WAY FOR USCIS". Now, I dont know why some lawyers are spreading this nonsense that "BEWARE, USCIS will stop accepting new petitions if they receive 'too many petitions'. What is 'too many ??? Who defines 'too many'? Is 'too many' defined as the time when the mail room clerk gets back pain from lifting boxes of petitions ? Or the guy printing 485 receipt notices gets carpel tunnel syndrome ?

    PLEASE PUT THIS IDEA TO REST. USCIS WILL ACCEPT PETITIONS THRU JULY 31, NO MATTER HOW TIRED THEY ARE AND NO MATTER HOW SICK THEY GET OF SEEING 485 FEDEXes COMING IN DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY. GOT IT ????



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  • bazuka6
    09-23 10:18 AM
    As completely unrelated these two issues are (from a law maker's perspective) on a normal day, these are possibly those times when each of these issues can help the other.

    IV has been discussing about the possibility of one for two solution (partial). The idea is to request congress to exempt EB applicants & their dependents from numerical limits of the Immigrant visas, if they buy a home. It is my belief that market sentiment is the most important thing in any financial market(s) and the housing prospects look pretty bleak. There are lot of members in the EB community that have NOT bought their own home, even though they could afford one because of the uncertainty with EB GC. IV's idea is to bridge the financial committees and judiciary committees in the House/Senate and see if corresponding Chairman/Ranking members are willing to listen. Things are moving so fast with the 700bn USD bail out plan and we will NOT have time to do things the normal way, through our counsel. We have to present this idea to the corresponding staff members of key members of congress (see list below) and see if this gets traction now or going forward.

    Please do not bring EB-5 discussion/comparison here. The proposed partial solution is different from EB-5 in that EB-5 investors invest money and we are investing in our future with a genuine intention of making USA our permanent home.


    If you already have a home, thats fine. Any such legislation will reduce the wait times in EB categories and we need housing markets to rebound for a safer economy before the ripple effects are felt every where.

    Who to write to

    Staff members(Chief of Staff, Legislative LA, Financial LA, Legislative Director) of Chairman/Ranking members of House/Senate Judiciary committee & Finance/Banking committee, Staff members of your representative and your senators. Please find staff members of the committees in the spreadsheet (http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pptN-jEpAiyd3snslhPjBfw).

    You can find your representative & senator staff members on this website (http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html).

    Please use valid email addresses and NOT fictitious/junk mail. It undermines the whole purpose and our emails will be flagged by mail scanners / spam checkers as some thing similar to famous Nigeria bank account scams.


    Email Subject: Proposal to alleviate current US Housing/economic crisis

    Content/Message

    SUMMARY

    This proposal alleviates the current US economic crisis, by motivating the US high skilled, legal immigrant workers to purchase homes. The size of this immigrant population is approximately 800,000 individuals. This effort if successful would inject up to US$ 20Billion approximately into the economy (approximately US$ 100 Billion in houses sold across the country) , while at the same time directing this money into the root cause of the economic crisis � the illiquidity of the national housing market. The above calculation is done
    assuming a median US home price of $212,400 and buyers making a down-payment of 20% of the cost of the home. Roughly estimating 400,000 buyers.

    BACKGROUND

    Undoubtedly, we are all devastated by the shake up on Wall Street in the past 15 days. Experts agree that the underpinning problem is the housing crisis caused by sub-prime mortgage loans. Many of us, who cannot afford our monthly mortgage payments are losing homes and putting them up for sale and foreclosure, which further adds to the crisis. At the same time, most of the Employment-based (EB) immigrant community would like to purchase homes and make the United States a permanent home for their families. These EB immigrants however, are living in a state of limbo, mostly in rental apartments because of the delays and uncertainties involved with the EB immigration procedure. The wait times in EB categories are exacerbated by the delays in processing by USCIS, even though eligible applicants have filed for Permanent Residency also known as Adjustment of Status. Such processing delays have resulted in the wastage of 218,000 immigrant visa numbers (Page 52 of USCIS Ombudsman Annual report 2007). The current Department of State visa bulletin shows 7+ years of wait times in certain categories. We strongly believe that legislation can be worked out in such a way that the housing markets all over the country can move towards recovery, while at the same time motivating the Green Card applicants to catalyze this recovery.

    It should be noted that this proposal by no means brings more immigrant workers into the US. The workers in the EB, skilled category are already present in the US, doing skilled jobs that no US worker is available to do. They are part of the long queue of backlogged cases that USICIS will eventually process; however, this wait can take years and in that case could not be used as a tool to minimize the course of the current economic crisis.

    SOLUTION

    Congress can pass legislation that exempts EB green card applicants and their dependents from the numerical limits of visa numbers, provided applicant(s) have bought a home making 20% down payment on the sale price of the home, for a time period deemed necessary by the congress.


    How can Employment based Immigrants help alleviate the housing problem?

    (1) Employment based immigrants are highly skilled and are employed in occupations such as Software, IT, Health care, Energy, Finance, Education and Research & Development across the United States.

    (2) Average income of these individuals/households is around 65,000/130,000 USD.

    (3) All these Employment based immigrants have gone through Department of Labor�s recruiting process, which certifies that there is no willing, able and qualified US Citizen to do the job.

    (4) Most of the Employment based immigrants have excellent credit history and good source of income to make the payments needed for their home mortgage.

    (5) By requiring a 20% down payment from this group of buyers, Congress can directly channel this money to where it is need most � at the banks.

    (6) Employment based green card applicants have been living in the United States for 6-8 years. Many of them have US graduate degrees in their fields of expertise. These applicants are well versed with the American culture and will not change the cultural landscape.

    (7) Financial burden on US government and treasury will be reduced drastically if the glut of houses in the market decreases.


    As a member of the community that wants to make the US its permanent home, I want to contribute to a solution that helps USA and US during these tough times. I sincerely believe that the 30 year commitment on mortgages by Employment based immigrants in the housing market, backed by solid, risk free mortgages can turn the down ward spiral in the housing market into a upward spiral.

    END OF CONTENT

    Great Draft ..Thanks IV





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  • paskal
    12-14 05:55 PM
    it's clear as pointed out above that we peters and pauls here.
    iv is not striving to remove country qiota in isolation.
    that said, those who benefit will always justify it. it is human.
    my personal view remains the same: discriminating between two individuals by country of origin is wrong. period.
    thie country recognizes that fact in EVERYTHING, except immigration, and that has a long history of fear and restriction behind it.
    i guess until one feels the effects of being on the "wrong side of the fence" it's hard to see this picture.

    meanwhile this is going too far and i will close this thread forewith. wake up people - there is barely any difference in EB3 india and ROW...so what's the deal with swamping? and if one country gets more GC numbers...maybe ...horrors...it's because it has more applicants???

    those who support this "diversity" crap- you will find your own "quotas" somewhere sometime someday for sure. then please remember that it's ok to take away from you and give others for any chosen reason....

    i get the last word. sorry! :-)





    sunty
    02-13 01:47 PM
    After reading all these comments specially the one from walking_dude, I think its prudent of IV for engaging USCIS in a constructive way....Even though it is very frustrating for us now, it would be a mistake to cut all connections to USCIS by a lawsuit..

    Lawsuit should be explored as a last resort for relief and I am for it..

    There are a number of things:

    1) A lawsuit cannot increase the GC visa numbers. Courts cannot change the law. The only relief we can seek through a lawsuit is to recapture the wasted visa numbers in the previous decade that amount to 218000.

    2) No matter how angry and frustrated we are, we should keep our cool heads and contribute as much as we can to the letter campaign. This might achieve some results. If it happens, it will provide big immediate relief and help reduce the backlogs.

    3) Lets see what's going on with the "Scaled down CIR type" bill House Dems are talking about, as mentioned my Greg Siskind etc. Hopes for this are low but no harm in hoping.

    4) I do see the light at the end of the tunnel. Once the new President steps in(Democratic or Republican), full-blown CIR would be revived. For legal EB immigrants, it would overhaul the whole GC system, making it point based and would most probably include EB visa reacpture and visa increase. This might happen in early 2009.

    5) With USCIS hiring 1500 employees and adjucators, processing times might improve.

    This is the time even the lawsuit would take to get some relief, if at all.

    So, let's be patient and keep the lawsuit option (if it possible) absolutely as a last resort.





    pappu
    01-13 04:52 PM
    We need a thorough analysis of this document and an assesment how it affects our membership. If this is something our members want IV to discuss with USCIS, we can do it. All those affected by it, and willing to volunteer can contact IV to form a team and work on the analysis of this document.