BharatPremi
07-26 04:09 PM
I don't think there is any need to love any country, its just a place like any other. Within no time India has been divided into 3 countries (4 if you count Kashmir). The only important thing is to quickly migrate to the place you like most, everything else is a waste of time.
Let me challenge you on the basis of what you wrote here.
1) You wrote: The only important thing is to quickly migrate to the place you
like most, everything else is a waste of time.
Good Enough. No argument.
2) You wrote: I don't think there is any need to love any country, its just a
place like any other.
Here I may not have a problem but Americans will surely have problem.
They want such people from outside countries who are ready to be loyal
to USA and ready to love USA as their future country.
Upon identifying your IP Address and then Physical Address USA can ceratinly decide not to consider you as a candidate of Permanent Residency as you are challenging the base of this constitutional requirement for making you a permanent resident. :D What will you do then if USA gives you thumbs down?:rolleyes: :(
Let me challenge you on the basis of what you wrote here.
1) You wrote: The only important thing is to quickly migrate to the place you
like most, everything else is a waste of time.
Good Enough. No argument.
2) You wrote: I don't think there is any need to love any country, its just a
place like any other.
Here I may not have a problem but Americans will surely have problem.
They want such people from outside countries who are ready to be loyal
to USA and ready to love USA as their future country.
Upon identifying your IP Address and then Physical Address USA can ceratinly decide not to consider you as a candidate of Permanent Residency as you are challenging the base of this constitutional requirement for making you a permanent resident. :D What will you do then if USA gives you thumbs down?:rolleyes: :(
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lazycis
02-13 08:46 AM
Does any one on this forum happen to know an approximate dollar amount that would cost for if we (IV team) is planning to proceed further with this class action law suite on USCIS?? the reason I am asking for is if we have known dollar amount/target amount in hand it makes it easy for all to start contributing towards this target amount and proceed further with law suite.
I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...
Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...
Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....
I think the good start is to consult with Rajiv Khanna. He has an experience in class-actions/federal litigation and will tell whether it is feasible to go this way. It will cost $600 (approximately). To file a class-action complaint will cost around $10k. The rest depends on the lenght of the proceedings, but my estimate is another 20-30k. Peanuts comparing to lobbying :) IV may not want to go this way, as Mark Bartosik once explained, it may hurt its other efforts. If that's the case, potential plaintiffs can work with lawyers directly.
jchan
07-25 10:48 AM
VDLRAO - You brought lot of valid points which supported by authentic statistics. But surprisingly Ron�s comment about the Aug bulletin is totally vague. You can throw the numbers to prove your claim but I don�t think Ron really has any such numerical explanation for his statement.
With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).
I agree with vdlrao completely. The horizontal spill over rule essentially gives all EB1/EB2 visa to EB2's. This will make the EB2 cutoff dates leap and bounce forward. For EB3, however, there won't be any spill over data until EB2 become all current.
In Oppennheimer's reply to Ron Gotcher's question, he mentioned that the horizontal rule was set after he 'had consulation with the congress', so it's very unlikely to have any change to this rule till some legislation changes take place.
With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).
I agree with vdlrao completely. The horizontal spill over rule essentially gives all EB1/EB2 visa to EB2's. This will make the EB2 cutoff dates leap and bounce forward. For EB3, however, there won't be any spill over data until EB2 become all current.
In Oppennheimer's reply to Ron Gotcher's question, he mentioned that the horizontal rule was set after he 'had consulation with the congress', so it's very unlikely to have any change to this rule till some legislation changes take place.
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panini
05-17 05:34 PM
You are partially correct BharatPremi. The Sinhalese migrated to the island long before the time of emeror Ashoka and not from Orissa. According to the written history of Sri Lanka they arrived about 2500 years ago from the region of Bengal (which is refered to as the land of the Vanga people in SL history). The exact kingdom they came from as supposed to be located in present Bangladesh. By the time of Ashoka the Sinhalese had already established their first kingdom with the capital in the ancient city of Anuradhapura. In fact Budhism was first introduced to Sri Lanka by Arahat Mahinda who was the son of emperor Ashoka. By the time he arrived as the head of one of the buddhist missions the emperor Ashoka had sent to the regions around India, he was welcomed by the Sinhalese king Tissa and the whole country embrased Buddhism.
The SL tamils arrived long after that during the Chola empire as invaders. They occupied the country for a while untl the Sinhalese princes were able to drive most of them back to India. The present SL tamils are the people who stayed behind in the northern regions of the island. Since they were in the island for a relatively shorter time they did not evolve a new language like the Sinhalese did. Sinhalese however evolved a new language and ther own unique culture which is still pretty similar to Indian culture.
So the Tamils as well as the Sinhalese has lived in the island for a very long time and has every right to live in the island peacefully. This does not however give the SL Tamil the right to claim one part of the island for their exclusive use.
We all have heard about great war of Kalinga in Which Samart Ashoka's army killed almost 2 hundred thosand people in a very short span of time. At the time thosands of people fled from Patliputra to current Odissa and many from that lot kept on pushing them till they found their last destination which is Sri Lanka. Decendents of these people today call them Sinhaleese. In the last 2 centuray British colonized Sri Lanka like India and ruled it. British take tamils to sri lanka for labor. Thus the ancestors of present day Sri Lankan's tamils have fairly recently migrated to Sri Lanka.
The SL tamils arrived long after that during the Chola empire as invaders. They occupied the country for a while untl the Sinhalese princes were able to drive most of them back to India. The present SL tamils are the people who stayed behind in the northern regions of the island. Since they were in the island for a relatively shorter time they did not evolve a new language like the Sinhalese did. Sinhalese however evolved a new language and ther own unique culture which is still pretty similar to Indian culture.
So the Tamils as well as the Sinhalese has lived in the island for a very long time and has every right to live in the island peacefully. This does not however give the SL Tamil the right to claim one part of the island for their exclusive use.
We all have heard about great war of Kalinga in Which Samart Ashoka's army killed almost 2 hundred thosand people in a very short span of time. At the time thosands of people fled from Patliputra to current Odissa and many from that lot kept on pushing them till they found their last destination which is Sri Lanka. Decendents of these people today call them Sinhaleese. In the last 2 centuray British colonized Sri Lanka like India and ruled it. British take tamils to sri lanka for labor. Thus the ancestors of present day Sri Lankan's tamils have fairly recently migrated to Sri Lanka.
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Munna Bhai
01-26 08:01 AM
Hello,
My I-140 is approved and I have a PD of Feb 2006.
One of my colleague whose job description is little different then mine has a PD of Sep 2003 and his Labour got approved but he left the company.
So is there anyway his approved labor is useful to me. What are the ifs,buts etc.
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My I-140 is approved and I have a PD of Feb 2006.
One of my colleague whose job description is little different then mine has a PD of Sep 2003 and his Labour got approved but he left the company.
So is there anyway his approved labor is useful to me. What are the ifs,buts etc.
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alterego
07-24 03:27 AM
For USCIS, 2007 was "let's reduce some backlog in EB3-category" year.
It looks like 2008 is " let's reduce some backlog in EB2-category" year.
On both occassions they hid their plans in right in front of us, and said "gotcha" to every one- AILA, IV prognosticators and Ron Gotchers of this world.
I doubt USCIS will openly Re-revise the horizontal spill over policy. If they do that they may be challenged again forcing them to Re-Re-revise which will make them look even more stupider than they do now.
There are other means by which USCIS can deliver justice- mafia style- but within the current law. They need additional help from DOS,DOL, etc.
examples- (1) Generally sit on EB-2 adjudications, delay them and say there are unused EB2 numbers and allow them to spill over to EB-3
(2) Clamp down even further on PERM - stretch it from 8 months to 36 months for every applicant including EB2-ROW, make even more unused numbers available to clear backlogs.
p.s
I do not harbor any ill-will towards ROW or any other category. I honestly think above things are possible. :)
Not only is that possible, but they are probably likely to do so. PERM adjudications have already slowed down. 140 PP has been all but squashed and 485 adjudications appear random. So your points are well taken.
It looks like 2008 is " let's reduce some backlog in EB2-category" year.
On both occassions they hid their plans in right in front of us, and said "gotcha" to every one- AILA, IV prognosticators and Ron Gotchers of this world.
I doubt USCIS will openly Re-revise the horizontal spill over policy. If they do that they may be challenged again forcing them to Re-Re-revise which will make them look even more stupider than they do now.
There are other means by which USCIS can deliver justice- mafia style- but within the current law. They need additional help from DOS,DOL, etc.
examples- (1) Generally sit on EB-2 adjudications, delay them and say there are unused EB2 numbers and allow them to spill over to EB-3
(2) Clamp down even further on PERM - stretch it from 8 months to 36 months for every applicant including EB2-ROW, make even more unused numbers available to clear backlogs.
p.s
I do not harbor any ill-will towards ROW or any other category. I honestly think above things are possible. :)
Not only is that possible, but they are probably likely to do so. PERM adjudications have already slowed down. 140 PP has been all but squashed and 485 adjudications appear random. So your points are well taken.
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Macaca
02-19 10:36 AM
IEEE-USA (http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/issues/H1bvisa/index.html) is saying exactly the following. As you can check, it is very influential on the Hill.
b) It is not really the smartest thing in the world to bring people here from foreign lands, let them work here in high-tech fields, and then send them back after 6-10 years so that they can compete against Americans from OUTSIDE America.
c) A lot of EB-based immigrants have been to American colleges and have graduate degrees. Again, see (b) above. Not the brightest idea to have this American-educated and trained high-skilled manpower forced to go back to India and China, the two main US competitors.
Atleast, not if you are America.
Bottomline is this. If there have been abuses of the system, and any system will be abused, then those need to be fixed. If there are loopholes, they need to be plugged (and people will come up with more loopholes.) But the USCIS should not throw the baby out with the bath water. Either this country values high-skilled immigrants, or it doesn't. The high-skilled immigrants need to know this, so that they can make decisions in their life. The incompetence of USCIS can't be the instrument of public policy making.
b) It is not really the smartest thing in the world to bring people here from foreign lands, let them work here in high-tech fields, and then send them back after 6-10 years so that they can compete against Americans from OUTSIDE America.
c) A lot of EB-based immigrants have been to American colleges and have graduate degrees. Again, see (b) above. Not the brightest idea to have this American-educated and trained high-skilled manpower forced to go back to India and China, the two main US competitors.
Atleast, not if you are America.
Bottomline is this. If there have been abuses of the system, and any system will be abused, then those need to be fixed. If there are loopholes, they need to be plugged (and people will come up with more loopholes.) But the USCIS should not throw the baby out with the bath water. Either this country values high-skilled immigrants, or it doesn't. The high-skilled immigrants need to know this, so that they can make decisions in their life. The incompetence of USCIS can't be the instrument of public policy making.
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sc3
09-23 04:44 PM
One thing, assume if it works out and 50% of the people are able to buy houses and get the GC, they are out of the queue right, so automatically the back logs are gone and the remaining people not able to buy the house will get their GCs soon.
You are missing the point of the opposition. What is the fairness in this visa category? Every other category has US benefiting (not short term, but in long term) from us, except this proposed category. Do you think paying 20% down will benefit US enough that they drop every thing and grant you the GC??
Also, how do you define this 20%? A 20% down in CA will get your 5 homes in Alaskan tundra (ok exaggerating, but not by much). This proposal basically comes down to haves and have nots. By expending time on such misguided legislation, you are not only making the immigrants look like cheap opportunistic ****, but also giving enough fodder for the anti-immigrants that we are only looking for our GC without any tangible long term benefit for US (I could pay 20% down, get my GC, and then become a burden on the state).
You are missing the point of the opposition. What is the fairness in this visa category? Every other category has US benefiting (not short term, but in long term) from us, except this proposed category. Do you think paying 20% down will benefit US enough that they drop every thing and grant you the GC??
Also, how do you define this 20%? A 20% down in CA will get your 5 homes in Alaskan tundra (ok exaggerating, but not by much). This proposal basically comes down to haves and have nots. By expending time on such misguided legislation, you are not only making the immigrants look like cheap opportunistic ****, but also giving enough fodder for the anti-immigrants that we are only looking for our GC without any tangible long term benefit for US (I could pay 20% down, get my GC, and then become a burden on the state).
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bajrangbali
05-01 06:56 PM
It looks like my post which was meant to bring some awareness to the innocent civilians being killed in SL has lost its purpose. Here are some clarification which will respond to atleast some posts:
1) There is no support for LTTE, not by Indian govt, not by USA, UN or any other country and neither by me
2) Post is not to gather support for LTTE, post is to gather support for INNOCENT CIVILIANS being killed. Now both sides killed civilians, recent report by UN (third party which is neutral - if neutral or UN still carries any value) shows SL army bombing the civilian safe-zone which is an outrage.
3) SL tamils are not Indian citizens. If we get US citizenship do you think anyone in USA will treat you as american, you are Indian American. My reference to Indians in SL is the same, thought you guys are smart enough to understand that.
4) Our Indian government with all its might..should not keep quiet and let the ethnic cleansing happen..kill all the LTTE no one cares..but killing all tamilians or most of them to keep others quiet is outageous. Bringing out this atrocity is the point of my post.
And guys..I am not a tamilian..I am an Indian..if this happens to any other group in India I will stand up and shout with the same ferocity with which I posted this. Standing up for good cause and protecting human values anywhere in the world need not require us belonging to a particular community. Being human is enough!
Show some understanding to the suffering and above all...stay in peace
1) There is no support for LTTE, not by Indian govt, not by USA, UN or any other country and neither by me
2) Post is not to gather support for LTTE, post is to gather support for INNOCENT CIVILIANS being killed. Now both sides killed civilians, recent report by UN (third party which is neutral - if neutral or UN still carries any value) shows SL army bombing the civilian safe-zone which is an outrage.
3) SL tamils are not Indian citizens. If we get US citizenship do you think anyone in USA will treat you as american, you are Indian American. My reference to Indians in SL is the same, thought you guys are smart enough to understand that.
4) Our Indian government with all its might..should not keep quiet and let the ethnic cleansing happen..kill all the LTTE no one cares..but killing all tamilians or most of them to keep others quiet is outageous. Bringing out this atrocity is the point of my post.
And guys..I am not a tamilian..I am an Indian..if this happens to any other group in India I will stand up and shout with the same ferocity with which I posted this. Standing up for good cause and protecting human values anywhere in the world need not require us belonging to a particular community. Being human is enough!
Show some understanding to the suffering and above all...stay in peace
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Macaca
06-28 09:01 AM
From page 35 of Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Annual Report to Congress June 2007 (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual%20Report_2007.pdf).
There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.
If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
Additionally, DOL’s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates. Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped where as they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years. In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.
There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.
If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
Additionally, DOL’s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates. Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped where as they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years. In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.
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Dhundhun
08-08 04:57 PM
My kids aged out. Is there any way they can take benefit of my immigration based on my PD? Otherwise, how can they benefit?
My daughter turns 21 in 2003
PD 03/10/2005
My son turns 21 in Apr 2005
I140 filed Oct 2006, approved Sep 2007
I485 Applied in Aug 2007
Thanks in anticipation.
--dhundhun
My daughter turns 21 in 2003
PD 03/10/2005
My son turns 21 in Apr 2005
I140 filed Oct 2006, approved Sep 2007
I485 Applied in Aug 2007
Thanks in anticipation.
--dhundhun
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onemorecame
06-26 04:53 PM
I heard this group of people - from anti immigrant organizations, plan to intercept fedex trucks going into USCIS next month sort out 485 petitions and steal them and hide them in an undisclosed location.
These people have only one aim in life. Not to allow 485 applications to reach USCIS.
When USCIS does not recieve any 485 applications, they will retrogress. Then this group of people will stop stealing the petitions.
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These people have only one aim in life. Not to allow 485 applications to reach USCIS.
When USCIS does not recieve any 485 applications, they will retrogress. Then this group of people will stop stealing the petitions.
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hiralal
06-04 09:21 PM
now that we have 13 pages of discussion ..can we agree on something and start small campaigns atleast ???
that way we can generate more interest in IV.
we can do something indirect too ..such as contacting your realtors ..show interest in buying and then back off ..the advantage in this (if large number of people take part and each contact 4-5 realtors) ..then we will have someone else lobbying for us (rather than ourselves beating our own drum)
if someone has better idea then we can go for that too
that way we can generate more interest in IV.
we can do something indirect too ..such as contacting your realtors ..show interest in buying and then back off ..the advantage in this (if large number of people take part and each contact 4-5 realtors) ..then we will have someone else lobbying for us (rather than ourselves beating our own drum)
if someone has better idea then we can go for that too
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Macaca
02-18 11:49 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/sep2006/sb20060913_157784.htm?chan=search[/url]
An Indian has glorified Indians. How do you use this glorification to explain the behavior of 80+% IV Indian members and 60+% Indians in EB retrogression who have no interest in joining IV?
The best looking answer looks like there is no correlation between the two. Indians remain glorified.
An Indian has glorified Indians. How do you use this glorification to explain the behavior of 80+% IV Indian members and 60+% Indians in EB retrogression who have no interest in joining IV?
The best looking answer looks like there is no correlation between the two. Indians remain glorified.
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amoljak
10-23 03:27 PM
Thanks eb3India.
How does the current company obtain a pre-approved labor? Does it buy the pre-app labour? Or is it SOLELY because someone in the company left (whose labor was approved)?
Labor certification means a company is certifying that they cannot find an American to do the job, lets say write a Java program. So once they certify that, they can say look we have this dude from India who can write Java programs, we want to hire him permanently. But what if the dude gets a better job or goes back to India or both...? The company still needs someone to write that Java program... they have established that they are not able to find an American to do that... so they can say this dude-2 has the same qualifications as the dude whom we originally want... so let us hire him permanently... so that is labor substitution... there is genuine business case to do that.
How does the current company obtain a pre-approved labor? Does it buy the pre-app labour? Or is it SOLELY because someone in the company left (whose labor was approved)?
Labor certification means a company is certifying that they cannot find an American to do the job, lets say write a Java program. So once they certify that, they can say look we have this dude from India who can write Java programs, we want to hire him permanently. But what if the dude gets a better job or goes back to India or both...? The company still needs someone to write that Java program... they have established that they are not able to find an American to do that... so they can say this dude-2 has the same qualifications as the dude whom we originally want... so let us hire him permanently... so that is labor substitution... there is genuine business case to do that.
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yetanotherguyinline
09-04 07:44 PM
Admins - can some one please close this thread. This is thread is neither about immigration nor will anything good come out of this.
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MYGC2008
09-23 05:50 PM
By Looking into Data provided, INDIA EB2 should get more Visa this year.
Look at the Data for EB2 CHINA
for 2004 it is 123 and for 2005 it is 4100.
If the Cutoff Dates does not move for China/India ,How they going to use spillover visas?
This is really interesting
Since EB1 is Current and Rest all Eb2(except CHINA/INDIA) are current. This time there will be huge spillover.
Look at the Data for EB2 CHINA
for 2004 it is 123 and for 2005 it is 4100.
If the Cutoff Dates does not move for China/India ,How they going to use spillover visas?
This is really interesting
Since EB1 is Current and Rest all Eb2(except CHINA/INDIA) are current. This time there will be huge spillover.
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fairman
08-18 11:25 PM
And which part of india are you from?
Secret.
Secret.
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snthampi
08-02 11:15 PM
One of the things that I've observed about these 'IBO's is that most often they are underachievers in general. Mostly staying home over the weekends, hardly any communication skills, no good friends (no your IBO partners are not your friends), low confidence and plain arrogance. They are asked not to take NO for an answer. So anything that you say against them annoys the hell outta them. I know I should not be using such derogatory language against any person but I seriously feel this corporation is plaguing our society big time.
I have a co-worker who downs at least 5-6 cans of their flagship product 'XS Energy Drink' everyday. He hardly moves from his desk all day so why in the world would he need an energy drink for? One day, the rest of the team confronted him and asked him if he even knew what was in the energy drink. He quickly got angry and snapped back "VITAMINS!!!". We were like WTF? Since when did energy drinks started to have vitamins in them? Finally, I showed him the contents of the drink: #1 Taurine, #2 Caffeine. So it's nothing but fukking Red Bull. And we all know 'Red Bull gives you wings!'. Wish it gave you brains too.
Another co-worker asked him if it'd be OK to give that drink to his 5 yo when he thought that it was alright for him to gulp gallons of it. He snapped again saying "OF COURSE! In fact she drinks small quantities of it everyday." A 5 year old kid drinking Red Bull. Can you beat that? Just coz this idiot wants to earn more points. That is when I got seriously pissed!
Is it true that this guys makes his 5 year old kid drink something like Red Bull everyday? If it is true, that is inhuman and child abuse. I can't believe it. Can people go this low for money? Unbelievable.
I have a co-worker who downs at least 5-6 cans of their flagship product 'XS Energy Drink' everyday. He hardly moves from his desk all day so why in the world would he need an energy drink for? One day, the rest of the team confronted him and asked him if he even knew what was in the energy drink. He quickly got angry and snapped back "VITAMINS!!!". We were like WTF? Since when did energy drinks started to have vitamins in them? Finally, I showed him the contents of the drink: #1 Taurine, #2 Caffeine. So it's nothing but fukking Red Bull. And we all know 'Red Bull gives you wings!'. Wish it gave you brains too.
Another co-worker asked him if it'd be OK to give that drink to his 5 yo when he thought that it was alright for him to gulp gallons of it. He snapped again saying "OF COURSE! In fact she drinks small quantities of it everyday." A 5 year old kid drinking Red Bull. Can you beat that? Just coz this idiot wants to earn more points. That is when I got seriously pissed!
Is it true that this guys makes his 5 year old kid drink something like Red Bull everyday? If it is true, that is inhuman and child abuse. I can't believe it. Can people go this low for money? Unbelievable.
PlainSpeak
01-14 08:17 AM
to some of your points, but
is the response from amitjoey not enough to understand why PlainSpeak's view won't work ?
amitjoey response is good, correct, to the point and more civil than any one else. As you said there are more silent readers who if don't see amitjoey's response will consider IV is trying to do something wrong by harsh response (through their senior members/donors). Just read all comments except amitjoey's the thread will give different view (-ve to IV forum).
When some one reads uncivilized comments they don't just think bad about the person but also get -ve impression about the forum. You are missing important point, just because some one wants to give comments so that silent readers find abt people like plainspeak/gcperm but in reality it works just against the forum nothing else.
And when we want to create a professional forum for a reason/cause, as a forum member we need to maintain some professionalism in our comments. If anyone find any thread is not appropriate respond perfectly like amitjoey or report it to moderator.
As a new member (joined just 2008 and read only reasonable threads) I never know someone GCPerm and anything about his/her good/bad threads. So, it doesn't add any value if senior members fighting on who is who.
I am speaking for benefit of this forum which will benefit every person who join/participate. But if a member doesn't bother or care about what kind of -ve impression they are leaving then what is the real benefit of having that member. Just because that member don't care about having more members doesn't reflect the forum core members view.
You don't agree to my views but your response is nice and civilized and that is what I am talking about. I would say amitjoey's way of response (so do your response to my comment) would help both PlainSpeak and every members who reads the thread to understand what is good/bad for us as group.
One thing I disagree is your rough reality, in the name of rough reality we don't have to write rough wording in a forum where we need more people to join for a cause. You may not want any more member but I don't think that could be the case with IV core members. Why, mostly (not all) people who are in this forum will stop working for the forum after getting GC and we always need new members (may be 1 in 10000) who will add value to the forum.
And I haven't responded to PlainSpeak because I have no knowledge about that topic and I am still understanding/learning it. Also amitjoey's response is more than enough which is civilized and perfect (at least to me). Unless I have something to add to his point I can just keep quiet instead of leaving -ve impression abt the forum.
For any cause as a group we can fight with violence (uncivilized) and without violence (civilized). There is always people for both approach, but as a forum member we need to follow the core members way rather than our own way. And part of user registration we all agree to the terms and one of it is "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."
I had my own experience in this forum about hateful comments towards me by a senior member/donor. But that particular thread got removed because of so much hateful comments. Once we start accepting hateful comments it won't stop at any level and the forum will be filled with hateful comments. If you feel some thread/comment is not good better respond properly or report to moderator. Why we need to fill this forum with hateful comments when we have tools to avoid it.
My Friend ActAccord thank for saying things the way they are. And i am especially thankfull for the fact that you made it clear that you do NOT yet have an opinion on on topic at hand. People should discuss the pros and cons of any idea and come up with an approach based on that discussion.
From where i am standing i do not see you as a junior member. I am sure that maybe sometime down the line you and i might be on the opposite sides of a discussion and may not agree on an approach but we would still have respect for each others dedication to their point of view.
Now if you have been on this forum for sometime now you know what is going to happen next when everyone wakes up and reads your first post. You will have all these so called senior member (nothing senior about them) and junior members who will come at you from all sides with both fists swinging and abuses so brace youselves and give a fitting reply to anyone who disses you just like how you did to GreyHair down below
is the response from amitjoey not enough to understand why PlainSpeak's view won't work ?
amitjoey response is good, correct, to the point and more civil than any one else. As you said there are more silent readers who if don't see amitjoey's response will consider IV is trying to do something wrong by harsh response (through their senior members/donors). Just read all comments except amitjoey's the thread will give different view (-ve to IV forum).
When some one reads uncivilized comments they don't just think bad about the person but also get -ve impression about the forum. You are missing important point, just because some one wants to give comments so that silent readers find abt people like plainspeak/gcperm but in reality it works just against the forum nothing else.
And when we want to create a professional forum for a reason/cause, as a forum member we need to maintain some professionalism in our comments. If anyone find any thread is not appropriate respond perfectly like amitjoey or report it to moderator.
As a new member (joined just 2008 and read only reasonable threads) I never know someone GCPerm and anything about his/her good/bad threads. So, it doesn't add any value if senior members fighting on who is who.
I am speaking for benefit of this forum which will benefit every person who join/participate. But if a member doesn't bother or care about what kind of -ve impression they are leaving then what is the real benefit of having that member. Just because that member don't care about having more members doesn't reflect the forum core members view.
You don't agree to my views but your response is nice and civilized and that is what I am talking about. I would say amitjoey's way of response (so do your response to my comment) would help both PlainSpeak and every members who reads the thread to understand what is good/bad for us as group.
One thing I disagree is your rough reality, in the name of rough reality we don't have to write rough wording in a forum where we need more people to join for a cause. You may not want any more member but I don't think that could be the case with IV core members. Why, mostly (not all) people who are in this forum will stop working for the forum after getting GC and we always need new members (may be 1 in 10000) who will add value to the forum.
And I haven't responded to PlainSpeak because I have no knowledge about that topic and I am still understanding/learning it. Also amitjoey's response is more than enough which is civilized and perfect (at least to me). Unless I have something to add to his point I can just keep quiet instead of leaving -ve impression abt the forum.
For any cause as a group we can fight with violence (uncivilized) and without violence (civilized). There is always people for both approach, but as a forum member we need to follow the core members way rather than our own way. And part of user registration we all agree to the terms and one of it is "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."
I had my own experience in this forum about hateful comments towards me by a senior member/donor. But that particular thread got removed because of so much hateful comments. Once we start accepting hateful comments it won't stop at any level and the forum will be filled with hateful comments. If you feel some thread/comment is not good better respond properly or report to moderator. Why we need to fill this forum with hateful comments when we have tools to avoid it.
My Friend ActAccord thank for saying things the way they are. And i am especially thankfull for the fact that you made it clear that you do NOT yet have an opinion on on topic at hand. People should discuss the pros and cons of any idea and come up with an approach based on that discussion.
From where i am standing i do not see you as a junior member. I am sure that maybe sometime down the line you and i might be on the opposite sides of a discussion and may not agree on an approach but we would still have respect for each others dedication to their point of view.
Now if you have been on this forum for sometime now you know what is going to happen next when everyone wakes up and reads your first post. You will have all these so called senior member (nothing senior about them) and junior members who will come at you from all sides with both fists swinging and abuses so brace youselves and give a fitting reply to anyone who disses you just like how you did to GreyHair down below
willigetagc
07-26 08:44 AM
If USCIS follows Vertical Policy after EB-3 becomes current, all the remaining visas will go to EB-2 India/China and will be used up completely. With the volume of demand for EB-3 India, unless some legislative relief comes EB-3 India's problem will not be solved.
However, by following horizontal policy, if EB-2 India/China is cleared and made current, Any spillover in EB-3 should be equally shared and EB-3 India's share will improve but in miniscule way.
Fighting for legislative relief is the only way out for EB-3 instead of dividing our community between EB-2 and EB-3
I dont think the situation is that bleak. What would happen when EB3 ROW is unable to use up all the spillovers from EB2? The excess would go to EB3 I, right?
In the past 4+ years, the annual H1 queue is just 65K. So the input into the EB queue must have moderated quite a bit.
However, by following horizontal policy, if EB-2 India/China is cleared and made current, Any spillover in EB-3 should be equally shared and EB-3 India's share will improve but in miniscule way.
Fighting for legislative relief is the only way out for EB-3 instead of dividing our community between EB-2 and EB-3
I dont think the situation is that bleak. What would happen when EB3 ROW is unable to use up all the spillovers from EB2? The excess would go to EB3 I, right?
In the past 4+ years, the annual H1 queue is just 65K. So the input into the EB queue must have moderated quite a bit.
